i am struggling with V bets

[Ironside]

i am in trouble now lights have been turned off as everyone else in house has gone to bed and i obviously dont want them left on all night

33 players left let try and anything more stupid after i ran my 87s into a slow played AA then TT into J9

[vegaslover]

I'm bored whilst playing so I thought I'd rail you and see how you're doing. Here's one example of a hand I feel you misplayed.

PokerStars Game #63032674617: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2011/06/06 21:44:02 WET [2011/06/06 16:44:02 ET]
Table '424010421 119' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 (84857 in chips)
Seat 2: pestaras85 (25701 in chips)
Seat 3: Vindel (68378 in chips)
Seat 4: getaraise (42875 in chips)
Seat 5: stilli rom (16623 in chips)
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (64862 in chips)
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove (56311 in chips)
Seat 8: Ironside (60055 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerCity00 (31866 in chips)
Cr@cker717: posts the ante 150
pestaras85: posts the ante 150
Vindel: posts the ante 150
getaraise: posts the ante 150
stilli rom: posts the ante 150
Lehmo81: posts the ante 150
jam3s1nlove: posts the ante 150
Ironside: posts the ante 150
PokerCity00: posts the ante 150
stilli rom: posts small blind 800
Lehmo81: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
jam3s1nlove: folds
Ironside: raises 1600 to 3200
PokerCity00: folds
Cr@cker717: folds
pestaras85: folds
Vindel: raises 3200 to 6400
getaraise: folds
stilli rom: folds
Lehmo81: folds
Ironside: calls 3200
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: checks
Vindel: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 9600
Vindel: calls 9600
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
Vindel: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [Ah ] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Vindel: mucks hand
Ironside collected 35750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35750 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pestaras85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vindel mucked
Seat 4: getaraise (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: stilli rom (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ironside showed [Ah ] and won (35750) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 9: PokerCity00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Fold pre for a starters or fold to the 3 bet.

As it is, I like the check on the flop and the lead on the turn, but you should always be betting the river. You've no reason to fear the flush given how passively he's played it and on the river he's checking back nearly always given he's flatted your turn bet. He's often got a hand like QQ that's checking back as he wants to get to showdown as cheaply as possible in the hope you've bluffed the turn.

You can also get him to fold and don't have to go to a showdown...and given you've called a 3bet OOP with a7s that's no bad thing.

I'd suggest you get a decent player you respect to ghost you during a session so he can see where you're missing out on value bets etc.

At the level he's playing your going to find a lot of players taking this passive line with a flush draw, so I don't mind the check on the river.
Would be betting the flop though as i think a lot of players with Ax will call/raise with little regard for you having 2 pair here

[Ironside]

fml last 2 hands i have played has driven it home i seriously need a coach

ok nearly dbled my stack but think i could of gotten more

[Ironside]

fml 1.5m in chips only 1 other with over 1m is sat on my left with 1.4m 27 left

[Ironside]

offically on tilt now

obviously i am opening sb very wide

PokerStars Game #63039532846: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2011/06/07 0:31:52 WET [2011/06/06 19:31:52 ET]
Table '424010421 15' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FeyeCas (526245 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (963001 in chips)
Seat 3: Cestmir (2238716 in chips)
Seat 4: cypress72 (345649 in chips)
Seat 7: berliner24 (455055 in chips)
Seat 8: FIexx (312092 in chips)
FeyeCas: posts the ante 1200
Ironside: posts the ante 1200
Cestmir: posts the ante 1200
cypress72: posts the ante 1200
berliner24: posts the ante 1200
FIexx: posts the ante 1200
Ironside: posts small blind 6000
Cestmir: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
cypress72: folds
berliner24: folds
FIexx: folds
FeyeCas: folds
Ironside: raises 12000 to 24000
Cestmir: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 36000
Cestmir: calls 36000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 72000
Cestmir: calls 72000
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 168000
Cestmir: raises 168000 to 336000
Ironside: calls 168000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cestmir: shows [ ] (a straight, Three to Seven)
Ironside: mucks hand
Cestmir collected 943200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 943200 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: FeyeCas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ironside (small blind) mucked [ ]
Seat 3: Cestmir (big blind) showed [ ] and won (943200) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 4: cypress72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: berliner24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FIexx folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Ironside]

this hand played itself right?

PokerStars Game #63040388633: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (8000/16000) - 2011/06/07 1:00:36 WET [2011/06/06 20:00:36 ET]
Table '424010421 15' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FeyeCas (1134800 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (209101 in chips)
Seat 3: Cestmir (2620433 in chips)
Seat 6: jojovölker (795126 in chips)
Seat 7: berliner24 (554100 in chips)
Seat 8: FIexx (618384 in chips)
Seat 9: evasion80 (173392 in chips)
FeyeCas: posts the ante 1600
Ironside: posts the ante 1600
Cestmir: posts the ante 1600
jojovölker: posts the ante 1600
berliner24: posts the ante 1600
FIexx: posts the ante 1600
evasion80: posts the ante 1600
Ironside: posts small blind 8000
Cestmir: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
jojovölker: folds
berliner24: folds
FIexx: folds
evasion80: folds
FeyeCas: folds
Ironside: raises 191501 to 207501 and is all-in
Cestmir: calls 191501
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Cestmir said, "gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [ ] (a full house, Fives full of Threes)
Cestmir: shows [ ] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
FeyeCas said, "gg"
Cestmir collected 426202 from pot
Ironside finished the tournament in 14th place and received $82.17.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 426202 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: FeyeCas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ironside (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Threes
Seat 3: Cestmir (big blind) showed [ ] and won (426202) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Seat 6: jojovölker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: berliner24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FIexx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: evasion80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[EvilPie]

Calm down!!!

Why are you 'obviously' opening the SB very wide?

You don't have to win every pot that folds to you.

Believe it or not I actually prefer to check this river to get him to bluff.

In this spot you can easily look like you've had a couple of shots at it and given up on this bricky looking river.

His calling looks a bit like a flush draw so give him a chance to bluff then snap him off.

It's a $5 comp so think at a very basic level.

You've still got plenty left. Take your time and stay out of pots with shit hands especially oop against the big stack.

[EvilPie]

this hand played itself right?

PokerStars Game #63040388633: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (8000/16000) - 2011/06/07 1:00:36 WET [2011/06/06 20:00:36 ET]
Table '424010421 15' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FeyeCas (1134800 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (209101 in chips)
Seat 3: Cestmir (2620433 in chips)
Seat 6: jojovölker (795126 in chips)
Seat 7: berliner24 (554100 in chips)
Seat 8: FIexx (618384 in chips)
Seat 9: evasion80 (173392 in chips)
FeyeCas: posts the ante 1600
Ironside: posts the ante 1600
Cestmir: posts the ante 1600
jojovölker: posts the ante 1600
berliner24: posts the ante 1600
FIexx: posts the ante 1600
evasion80: posts the ante 1600
Ironside: posts small blind 8000
Cestmir: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
jojovölker: folds
berliner24: folds
FIexx: folds
evasion80: folds
FeyeCas: folds
Ironside: raises 191501 to 207501 and is all-in
Cestmir: calls 191501
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Cestmir said, "gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [ ] (a full house, Fives full of Threes)
Cestmir: shows [ ] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
FeyeCas said, "gg"
Cestmir collected 426202 from pot
Ironside finished the tournament in 14th place and received $82.17.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 426202 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: FeyeCas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ironside (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Threes
Seat 3: Cestmir (big blind) showed [ ] and won (426202) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Seat 6: jojovölker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: berliner24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FIexx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: evasion80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

16 to 1 against the other guy having a pair.

Shove is fine.

[Karabiner]

Do the opposite to what you are doing.

Sound advice here.

[JK]

Calm down!!!

Why are you 'obviously' opening the SB very wide?

You don't have to win every pot that folds to you.

Believe it or not I actually prefer to check this river to get him to bluff.

In this spot you can easily look like you've had a couple of shots at it and given up on this bricky looking river.

His calling looks a bit like a flush draw so give him a chance to bluff then snap him off.

It's a $5 comp so think at a very basic level.

You've still got plenty left. Take your time and stay out of pots with shit hands especially oop against the big stack.

Bolded points were the first things I thought when reading that last post. Why would you go out of your way to play a pot with the one guy that has you covered, OOP with a ragshit hand. Hes not folding much BVB here (He called you with 3s6s and called 2 bullets with a gutshot on a 3 flush board). Just give him a walk. Dunno why people are so scared of that nowadays. At least have something that plays a bit better postflop imo

[Ironside]

Calm down!!!

Why are you 'obviously' opening the SB very wide?

You don't have to win every pot that folds to you.

Believe it or not I actually prefer to check this river to get him to bluff.

In this spot you can easily look like you've had a couple of shots at it and given up on this bricky looking river.

His calling looks a bit like a flush draw so give him a chance to bluff then snap him off.

It's a $5 comp so think at a very basic level.

You've still got plenty left. Take your time and stay out of pots with shit hands especially oop against the big stack.

Bolded points were the first things I thought when reading that last post. Why would you go out of your way to play a pot with the one guy that has you covered, OOP with a ragshit hand. Hes not folding much BVB here (He called you with 3s6s and called 2 bullets with a gutshot on a 3 flush board). Just give him a walk. Dunno why people are so scared of that nowadays. At least have something that plays a bit better postflop imo

he had titled me before the hand was titled at the seat draw and the fact he had rivered me in 2 previous pots

i knew after the game where i went wrong i took the 2 beats to heart then tried to get the chips back

[Solaris]

Calm down!!!

Why are you 'obviously' opening the SB very wide?

You don't have to win every pot that folds to you.

Believe it or not I actually prefer to check this river to get him to bluff.

In this spot you can easily look like you've had a couple of shots at it and given up on this bricky looking river.

His calling looks a bit like a flush draw so give him a chance to bluff then snap him off.

It's a $5 comp so think at a very basic level.

You've still got plenty left. Take your time and stay out of pots with shit hands especially oop against the big stack.

Bolded points were the first things I thought when reading that last post. Why would you go out of your way to play a pot with the one guy that has you covered, OOP with a ragshit hand. Hes not folding much BVB here (He called you with 3s6s and called 2 bullets with a gutshot on a 3 flush board). Just give him a walk. Dunno why people are so scared of that nowadays. At least have something that plays a bit better postflop imo

he had titled me before the hand was titled at the seat draw and the fact he had rivered me in 2 previous pots

i knew after the game where i went wrong i took the 2 beats to heart then tried to get the chips back

You need to work on your emotional maturity then tbf. That's not meant as a huge dig, but at the end of the day you were probably 2-3 tables away from a $2.8k payday from a $5.50 investment and you should be able to shake off bad beats and get your head focused on the objective of winning.

As has been said, opening 75o bvb was awful, but hopefully you've learnt from it.

[Ironside]

Calm down!!!

Why are you 'obviously' opening the SB very wide?

You don't have to win every pot that folds to you.

Believe it or not I actually prefer to check this river to get him to bluff.

In this spot you can easily look like you've had a couple of shots at it and given up on this bricky looking river.

His calling looks a bit like a flush draw so give him a chance to bluff then snap him off.

It's a $5 comp so think at a very basic level.

You've still got plenty left. Take your time and stay out of pots with shit hands especially oop against the big stack.

Bolded points were the first things I thought when reading that last post. Why would you go out of your way to play a pot with the one guy that has you covered, OOP with a ragshit hand. Hes not folding much BVB here (He called you with 3s6s and called 2 bullets with a gutshot on a 3 flush board). Just give him a walk. Dunno why people are so scared of that nowadays. At least have something that plays a bit better postflop imo

he had titled me before the hand was titled at the seat draw and the fact he had rivered me in 2 previous pots

i knew after the game where i went wrong i took the 2 beats to heart then tried to get the chips back

You need to work on your emotional maturity then tbf. That's not meant as a huge dig, but at the end of the day you were probably 2-3 tables away from a $2.8k payday from a $5.50 investment and you should be able to shake off bad beats and get your head focused on the objective of winning.

As has been said, opening 75o bvb was awful, but hopefully you've learnt from it.

i never used to tilt ever it was a strengh dont know what happened but for some unknown reason i started titling last time i was on bedrest and havent really recovered from it

[Bongo]

Chips for honours?