JJ decisions decisions

[david3103]

£10+£10+£10 at local G
24 runners, still in rebuy period

Stacks
Villain 1 5,000 - SB
Villain 2 12,000ish - BB
Hero 12,000 - MP

History - Villain 1 onlly just arrived at table, no real reads or feel. Middle-aged, never seen him before, suspect he's a pubpoker veteran who has come along with his mates..

Villain 2 - competent if somewhat loose in his calling range. He called an EP raise earlier and my 3bet with 58suited and rivered a straight vs original raiser..

EDIT - I've been pretty active so far in this tourney as I have been in all the tourneys I've played with this villain.

Blinds 100/200, last level before break, so last level for rebuy. I've taken one rebuy (each chunk is 3,000 chips)
Folds to me
I raise to 525, folds to SB(V1) who calls, as does BB(V2)

Flop 4 6 7 rainbow

SB leads for 400
BB raises to 2100

We..................??


Let's hypothetically assume that I call and SB folds.....

Turn is a 10 putting two hearts out there

BB thinks for a long time and then shoves for c9,000

we.............

[pleno1]

fold flop.

[david3103]

fold flop.

Because why ?

Not saying I don't agree, but what makes that decision a good one?

[muckthenuts]

fold flop.

Because why ?

Not saying I don't agree, but what makes that decision a good one?

flop hits their pf calling ranges pretty hard, still have the guy who led on the flop to the act, action so far suggests they're pretty strong etc.

[david3103]

fold flop.

Because why ?

Not saying I don't agree, but what makes that decision a good one?

flop hits their pf calling ranges pretty hard, still have the guy who led on the flop to the act, action so far suggests they're pretty strong etc.

agreed - his raise looks really strong, but if he has hit that perceived raggy range isn't it more likely to be protecting top pair+straight draw than a made hand like a straight/set?

[muckthenuts]

fold flop.

Because why ?

Not saying I don't agree, but what makes that decision a good one?

flop hits their pf calling ranges pretty hard, still have the guy who led on the flop to the act, action so far suggests they're pretty strong etc.

agreed - his raise looks really strong, but if he has hit that perceived raggy range isn't it more likely to be protecting top pair+straight draw than a made hand like a straight/set?

Think in terms of a range and not individual hands. Yeah they have some hands you're ahead of but mostly they are with decent equity (45/56) and then they also have some hands that are crushing yours (53/67/44/66/77). The overall picture is though you'll be ahead sometimes you won't find yourself in great shape often enough in the long run to make this a profitable flop call so i'd fold.