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« on: December 26, 2011, 11:05:38 AM »

Very Early Stages but Villian has re-raised twice in last orbit
PokerStars Game #72777585926: Tournament #488385480, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/12/26 10:22:29 WET [2011/12/26 5:22:29 ET]
Table '488385480 34' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chris140882 (3670 in chips)
Seat 3: MagicMan558 (2500 in chips)
Seat 4: bai rusi (3270 in chips)
Seat 5: 000_Aces_000 (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: APPW (3000 in chips)
Seat 7: Mwcgyn (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: Forex999 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: OomBob (3430 in chips)
bai rusi: posts small blind 10
000_Aces_000: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to APPW [As ]
APPW: raises 20 to 40
Mwcgyn: folds
Forex999: folds
OomBob: folds
chris140882: calls 40
MagicMan558: raises 160 to 200
bai rusi: folds
000_Aces_000: folds
APPW: calls 160
chris140882: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [ ]
APPW: bets 240
chris140882: calls 240
MagicMan558: calls 240
*** TURN *** [ ] []
APPW: bets 380
chris140882: folds
MagicMan558: calls 380
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
HERO? Thoughts on Bet Sizing Flop & Turn? Too small? River Shut Down?
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 12:04:12 PM »

Not really a fan of how you played this to be honest.

Don't like the minraise utg pre antes. Just fold this utg 9 handed, it's not really close. If you're going to raise make it 3x pre antes.

You should also fold to the 3b, you'll be oop in a 3way pot with an easily dominated holding.

Once you get to the flop, I don't really like donk leading. What hand are you repping other than a flush draw? He'll never put you on 7x since you raised utg and peeled a 3bet, you're repping 66 which is so damn hard to have and if you flop a boat, surely you're gonna check to the 3bettor let him cbet? It's just a terrible spot to donk a flush draw. You're sizing is too small too, there's over 600 in there so you're betting 240 into 600ish. Prefer 320-400 if you're going to bet. But just check.

Turn is far too small. There's now 1320 in there and you're betting 380. No-ones gonna fold anything.

Why do you say river shut down? You almost certainly have the best hand now. Make a small value bet.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 12:17:05 PM »

agree with alexshire.

fold preflop, fold to the 3bet chk/call the flop then prolly c/f the turn if we miss.

you could c/r the turn that looks pretty credible followed by a big river bet but I can't see him folding an OP still so best just to c/f unless he bets tiny

as played now you've gotten here you could defo still be behind to AK AQ and AA but everything you're beating will chk back so its a clear as crystal b/fold
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 11:12:33 PM »

Eewwww

Butchered!

Good advice above. Why did you donk the flop out of interest? Was it in the hope he would raise? Why not c/r when he is 100% to c bet and you have a tonne of equity to get it in with.

Turn, well if you c/r then barrel

River, well if he is still in after all that you can get it in as card removal dictates he shouldn't have AA and he can easily continue to be stubborn with KK ( if he still likes his holding)  thinking you missed your flush or str8

Really interested to hear why you donked as it's your nut low option in my opinion
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2011, 11:29:05 PM »

I hit my flush.....

PokerStars Game #72816004930: Tournament #490125080, $2.56+$0.64+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/12/26 23:25:17 WET [2011/12/26 18:25:17 ET]
Table '490125080 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: SDM_14 (5835 in chips)
Seat 2: minterman (1570 in chips)
Seat 3: GIRGY85 (1705 in chips)
Seat 7: decenas (750 in chips)
Seat 8: alex290183 (1615 in chips)
Seat 9: Zabulon33 (2025 in chips)
SDM_14: posts small blind 25
minterman: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GIRGY85 [ ]
GIRGY85: raises 50 to 100
decenas: folds
alex290183: folds
Zabulon33: folds
SDM_14: calls 75
minterman: folds
*** FLOP *** [ two hearts]
SDM_14: checks
GIRGY85: checks
*** TURN *** [ two hearts] []
SDM_14: checks
GIRGY85: checks
*** RIVER *** [ two hearts ] []
SDM_14: checks
GIRGY85: bets 50
SDM_14: calls 50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GIRGY85: shows [ ] (a Royal Flush)
SDM_14: mucks hand
GIRGY85 collected 350 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 350 | Rake 0
Board [ two hearts ]
Seat 1: SDM_14 (small blind) mucked [ ]
Seat 2: minterman (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: GIRGY85 showed [ ] and won (350) with a Royal Flush
Seat 7: decenas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: alex290183 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Zabulon33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 01:43:58 PM »

Thanks for the replys

The Donk Lead on the flop, based on what he had done so far was expecting him to reraise my small bet and then for me to push (is that bad) - he had re raised twice pre before but that was pre

He folded to my bet on the end (think it was 999, 1199?)

Admit PRE was Bad, I am far to active early on then start to tighten around bubble time which is something I need to sort (for example was 3 out of 250 or so, 144 paid, and only played 7 out of 80 hands, need to grow a set)
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 02:05:11 PM »

the way you played this hand pre-flop woulndt be good in many circumstances imo - you'd need weak weak table and be either 4betting or folding to the 3bet
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 11:10:30 PM »

Thanks for the replys

The Donk Lead on the flop, based on what he had done so far was expecting him to reraise my small bet and then for me to push (is that bad) - he had re raised twice pre before but that was pre

He folded to my bet on the end (think it was 999, 1199?)

Admit PRE was Bad, I am far to active early on then start to tighten around bubble time which is something I need to sort (for example was 3 out of 250 or so, 144 paid, and only played 7 out of 80 hands, need to grow a set)

I don't HATE the donk lead particularly if we were heads up, we have a decent amount of equity vs overpairs with A/backdoor straight/spades and it def seems more people are leading their draws+monsters online in spots like these, particularly when it's early villians won't be getting too frisky despite you repping a thin range and you can take it down uncontested a fair bit. As played barrelling is fine/good, and deffo vbet the river as we should have the best hand and he could easily call with worse thinking all the draws have missed.

Pre is terrible fwiw, open fold all day and I don't minraise this early.
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