Jamming with pair and nut flush draw

[OESFD]

hi all,

playing 1/1 at aspers stratford...1 big whale at table is the main reason the remaining competent players are there (he's not in this hand)

UTG raises to £6

2 callers

me in BB -  . have been folding these hands, but i think there's enough in the pot to justify a call..

flop comes  , UTG leads out for £18, 2 folds...i'm playing £150 total, think for a few seconds and then jam...my rationale being that calling £18 and then calling £30-£40 on the turn is bad and i'd just end up bleeding 30-50% of my stack chasing my outs. i'm putting him on AK, JJ, QQ something in that range. i think he has fold equity and he's a tight player so he wouldn't insta-call unless he had a set or 2 pair. Obviously this way i get paid the max if i do hit my hand

what do ppeople think of this move here? i'm thinking i have 14 outs...

[MC]

50p

[muckthenuts]

I prefer to flat the flop. UTG seems pretty strong at this point and stack sizes are really awkward. Shoving is obviously a ridic overbet and clearly indicates you have a flush draw, and it's not like live players need much excuse to call off. If you were to raise i'd prefer 65/call or shove any turn if he calls, but i think his range is just so strong here and he's just hardly ever folding so i'm not so keen on the flip when he's probably always gonna go broke if we get there.

[OESFD]

i should quit!

[SuuPRlim]

agreed, flatting the flop is prolly slightly better vs the PFR as you'll mainly just isolate yourself vs better Aces, the main benefits to raising strong draws as semi-bluffs is that you get a lot of marginally better hands to fold but I can't see much better folding, plus you have a very strong bluff catcher in the form of you ACE so i'd be inclined to call him down, possibly folding the river to a triple if you don't make your flush but thats totally dependant on the circumstances.

Jamming does somewhat ruin the immediate strength of your hand.

[outragous76]

i should quit!

As an end result there is abslutely no problem with having all of your money in the middle on this flop, but jamming was not the best option

[OESFD]

fair enough...he had Aces, i put him on AK/QQ (thus less outs than the 14 i calculated).

yeah noted..maybe in a tourny, but not cash.

[Ironside]

fair enough...he had Aces, i put him on AK/QQ (thus less outs than the 14 i calculated).

yeah noted..maybe in a tourny, but not cash.

AA is better for you than AK here

[SuuPRlim]

I had two hands today that are so relevant to this thread, but I might use them for my next article, if not I'll post - bizzarre how during the hands I was thinking about this thread!