AA with 400 bigs

[Ant040689]

So all the value here is pre.

if you've played any live poker in your life you'll know this isnt the case (sorry ant!)

No probs. Happy to be wrong on here. I wish I could say you and the others are incorrect and come up with sick reasoning but so many heros playing this differently

[cambridgealex]

I don't think there's much in it between flatting and clicking it to 18k, I think both will achieve roughly the same long term profit

[muckthenuts]

Just saw this thread. I like to raise to 18-20k, in my experience most live players will NEVER fold to this sizing because they're 'priced in', and they flat because they don't know what else to do. Gives us a chance to get more moneys in, creates room for a spaz which players will fall for sometimes, and also gives him less room post to get away from any of his decent holdings.

[sm00035]

Unless you have an insane image I don't think there is anything worse then clicking it.

Flat pre >>>>>>>> Piling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clicking>Folding

[cambridgealex]

Unless you have an insane image I don't think there is anything worse then clicking it.

Why?

This sums up my thoughts

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Just saw this thread. I like to raise to 18-20k, in my experience most live players will NEVER fold to this sizing because they're 'priced in', and they flat because they don't know what else to do. Gives us a chance to get more moneys in, creates room for a spaz which players will fall for sometimes, and also gives him less room post to get away from any of his decent holdings.

[sm00035]

It's like you're giving  him every possible opportunity to get away from it. There is no way if you had Ax or some random bluff hand that you are going to be click 6betting oop and I think unless they have a huge opinion you are just a massive spaz then they are just going to peel KK and fold everything else. If they do have the opinion your going to absolutely spack it in the you may as well just save everyones time and jam pre as if they have KK they aren't folding anyway.

I know they are completely different scenarios and ones I am sure people will learn to exploit soon enough, but online there are so many hands I plan to 3bet/call (much like G2L AJss in other thread) that I end up folding because they click 4bet it back when they NEVER have a click 4bet to 2/5ths stack bluff range. Obviously there are going to be ways to exploit this if you play a ton together, but in a live tournament this deep, there is no way you should be considering that.

Also I know it's been said a million times but should defo be 3xing every hand you open minimum imo

[SuuPRlim]

if we flat we're going to get at least one more bet of 10-13k from all his range, whereas if we click we only get action from the value side of wht is a pretty polarised 5betting range.

[pleno1]

thoughts on villains play if he has kings? Which bit/sizing do we change? Just peel the 4 i guess.

[DMorgan]

Definitely flatting here and probably not folding at any point unless theres another K in this coup