1010 Final table 4 handed.

[c4ught]

Final table €1.2k up top and €500 for 4th.

SB playing 19/18 3bet 8% over 157 hands.

I doubled him up with the below hand.

Poker Stars, $18 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 875 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12134032

MP: 135,907 (19.4 bb)
Hero (CO): 519,228 (74.2 bb)
BTN: 163,242 (23.3 bb)
SB: 58,319 (8.3 bb)
BB: 173,304 (24.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 
MP calls 7,000, Hero calls 7,000, BTN folds, SB completes, BB raises to 172,429 and is all-in, MP folds, Hero calls 165,429, SB folds

Flop: (363,233)  (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (363,233)  (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (363,233)  (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 363,233 pot
Final Board:
Hero showed and lost (-173,304 net)
BB showed  and won 363,233 (189,929 net)

Poker Stars, $18 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12134102

BB: 202,314 (25.3 bb)
Hero (CO): 394,549 (49.3 bb)
BTN: 150,617 (18.8 bb)
SB: 302,520 (37.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 
Hero raises to 16,000, BTN folds, SB raises to 48,000, BB folds, Hero ?

[WotRTheChances]

Don't call the shove with 55.

Make it 94k and call it off here. Not sure how the 16k-48k is seen here, is this his standard sizing? It's pretty big, but is there any history of him 3-bet/folding using the same sizing? Seems strong, but 4-handed vs 19/18 i'm 4-bet calling here unless I havent seen his 3x 3-bet sizing before, or if the guy was a massive nit... could then possibly fold (sure am folding in-game though).

[c4ught]

He hadnt put up any resistance vs me so far. I went for the worst line i possibly could and 4bf 

[pleno1]

yeh unfortunately both are really bad. Were not even getting a good price with the 55 and keeping our healtgt stack is important. Basically vs his range were in really, really bad shape.

Generally i wouldnt be folding 10s so late and shallow but a 3x 3bet does lookretty strong. If they arent putting up resistance you can win it back and more in next few hands via uncontested pots.

[LeeMcshane]

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading  as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you...  Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!!

The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like or to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range

Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though...

[WotRTheChances]

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading  as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you...  Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!!

The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like or to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range

Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though...

Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call.

[newcs248]

Go all in the first time around hand 1. Fold to the shove.

Jam hand 2, pretty sure 4b/c isn't the best with these stacks.

[George2Loose]

It's TT btw

[LeeMcshane]

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading  as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you...  Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!!

The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like or to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range

Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though...

Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call.

So 4bet what do you do if he jams you?

If you call what are you doing once the flop comes  say 224??  Folding to a strong cbet?

Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead?

So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not  priced  pre  to  set mine.

This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer  4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live.

Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure.

You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre....

[c4ught]

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

I limped because MP had been playing tight and I expected SB to shove a large majority of the time. Then if MP calls I can fold/jam or call SB shove.

Obv it didnt go down like that and I still decided to call.

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading  as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you...  Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!!

The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like or to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range

Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though...

Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call.

So 4bet what do you do if he jams you?

If you call what are you doing once the flop comes  say 224??  Folding to a strong cbet?

Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead?

So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not  priced  pre  to  set mine.

This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer  4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live.

Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure.

You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre....

Not sure if your reading it right. He doesnt mean 4bet or call he means 4bet then call the guys jam.

4bet is much better than jamming because villain can 5bet a bigger range than he will call our jam thinking he has some fold equity.

[WotRTheChances]

It's close, calling is not an option. 4-bet/folding is not an option. Generally i'm not folding, but there are merits to jamming over 4-bet/calling. Hands he can 5-bet jam include hands like KJ, JQ, AJ, KQ, which we would prefer he just folded given ICM considerations etc. Still think I 4-bet/call rather than jam, but it's close.

The limp call with is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.

The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading  as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you...  Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!!

The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like or to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range

Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though...

Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call.

So 4bet what do you do if he jams you?

If you call what are you doing once the flop comes  say 224??  Folding to a strong cbet?

Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead?

So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not  priced  pre  to  set mine.

This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer  4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live.

Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure.

You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre....

Obviously I didn't mean 4-bet or call, i mean 4-bet to call