Folding this?

[rbc_mike]

PokerStars Hand #79294411153: Tournament #569010677, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2012/04/22 18:10:42 ET
Table '569010677 132' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: HERO (17847 in chips)
Seat 2: Le4_feed_me (18948 in chips)
Seat 3: Nicolasl7etr (11375 in chips)
Seat 4: jaimestaples (10360 in chips)
Seat 5: LastLevel10 (10450 in chips)
Seat 6: andy3050 (20625 in chips)
Seat 7: iskweewQQ (6872 in chips)
Seat 8: conartisten (24727 in chips)
Seat 9: Luciano S.H (9095 in chips)
HERO: posts the ante 15
Le4_feed_me: posts the ante 15
Nicolasl7etr: posts the ante 15
jaimestaples: posts the ante 15
LastLevel10: posts the ante 15
andy3050: posts the ante 15
iskweewQQ: posts the ante 15
conartisten: posts the ante 15
Luciano S.H: posts the ante 15
iskweewQQ: posts small blind 60
conartisten: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [ ]
Luciano S.H: folds
HERO: raises 200 to 320
Le4_feed_me: folds
Nicolasl7etr: folds
jaimestaples: folds
LastLevel10: raises 530 to 850
andy3050: folds
iskweewQQ: folds
conartisten: folds
HERO: calls 530
*** FLOP *** [ ]
HERO: checks
LastLevel10: bets 850
HERO: calls 850
*** TURN *** [ ] []
HERO: checks
LastLevel10: bets 1650
HERO: calls 1650
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
HERO: checks
LastLevel10: bets 7085 and is all-in
HERO: folds
Uncalled bet (7085) returned to LastLevel10
LastLevel10 collected 7015 from pot
LastLevel10: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7015 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: HERO folded on the River
Seat 2: Le4_feed_me folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Nicolasl7etr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jaimestaples folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: LastLevel10 collected (7015)
Seat 6: andy3050 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: iskweewQQ (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: conartisten (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Luciano S.H folded before Flop (didn't bet)

this is the $5 2R1A $20K Guar

no reads really, all the add ons/rebuys finished at this point.

[cambridgealex]

yeh, sigh

[jezza777]

It's a very strong line prob have to fold.

[LeeMcshane]

I would play this hand exactly the same. Once he fires Allin on the river that should set the alarm bells ringing because if he thinks you have a J he might think you will call off with tptk.Definate putting him on KK, AA by the river bet...... I do think this line you have taken is the minimal amount you would lose in this hand. unless you fold pre ob lol.....

Not being funny but how many people do you see on stars who will get it in with say qj here on the flop, he might of been hoping you was one of them and call of the river with any Jack !!!

[Pinchop73]

WTF?

What are your reads on villain to take this line? Any stats?

If you have no reads then 4b2150/c pre imo.

Villain needs to be super aggro to flat here. If this is our read, then we're of course calling every barrel.

[rbc_mike]

WTF?

What are your reads on villain to take this line? Any stats?

If you have no reads then 4b2150/c pre imo.

Villain needs to be super aggro to flat here. If this is our read, then we're of course calling every barrel.

No stats, been at the table like 3 orbits, he's been playing pretty tight if I recall.

You say 4b/c, do we really think they're getting 87bb in with jj/tt/ak? obvs ak way more likely, but i think it's not gonna be long term profitable to 4b/c qq against a relatively tight player.  Ofc I'm a tourney donk so you probs know more than I do! given that all the rebuys are done, reli can't see us being in great shape against what is probably a relatively tight 5b jam range.

[Pinchop73]

Depends how villain perceive's you. If you've been pretty active then he's going to 3b your utg+1 range with a wider range than std ip. Ie TT+/AJs/AQo instead of QQ+/AK.

Meh. Having just opr'd villain and given reads, I guess I don't mind the line so much. wp

[muckthenuts]

WTF?

What are your reads on villain to take this line? Any stats?

If you have no reads then 4b2150/c pre imo.

Villain needs to be super aggro to flat here. If this is our read, then we're of course calling every barrel.

Flatting > 4bcall

[Pugwashed]

Hand seems wp, I would sometimes 4bet and try to get in QQ here but readless against a random when you're this deep flatting is better

[cambridgealex]

Hand seems wp, I would sometimes 4bet and try to get in QQ here but readless against a random when you're this deep flatting is better

this.

Pugwashed owns pha these days. What's your name IRL I feel we've met somewhere...?

[Pugwashed]

Hand seems wp, I would sometimes 4bet and try to get in QQ here but readless against a random when you're this deep flatting is better

this.

Pugwashed owns pha these days. What's your name IRL I feel we've met somewhere...?

I don't think we've met but I occasionally play at DTD when it's worth going for some tournaments so it's possible we've played there but I can't remember. My real name is Edd Ash

[WotRTheChances]

WTF?

What are your reads on villain to take this line? Any stats?

If you have no reads then 4b2150/c pre imo.

Villain needs to be super aggro to flat here. If this is our read, then we're of course calling every barrel.

Not this at all, unless we have reads we shouldnt be 4b/calling here.

Getting in this many bbs this early given positions is burning money over time with QQ (at best it's approaching breakeven, so still not good assuming we have a decent edge in $5 MTTs.

I like the line FWIW. wp