Big $109 - spot

[hatthehole]

i bet turn small. call river.

Is the turn bet pot control ?

And when he shoves river?

betting turn cos i think we got the nuts and villain will call with worse hands as well as charging Fds. As played im calling when he shoves the river cos villain can have worse aces that he thinks  are the nuts since we checked back turn, as well as ocassional bluffs.  you can argue that villain isnt peeling many aces that arent now FHs but in my experience v randoms in the big 109 theyll peel A6o.

[claypole]

Why did you check the turn Shaun?

Guess there was two things on my mind; I'm not technical like the boys, which is why I don't post here often.

The Q was not a great card, as AQ was a big part of his range when he peeled and called check called c-bet. My logic was, I thought if he had the AQ, he'd make a value sized value bet of 10k on river and I could call down and have a playable stack of 30k ish. I don't think he jams AQ, he loses value to AK/KK, maybe AJ/AT suited which I am capable of 3 betting to pressure  the bubble.The second thing on my mind was I might induce a spew by checking the turn on a brick river...so I'm thinking at that point I'm calling any non diamond or non Jack jam.

Typos corrected

All fair assumptions to make.

So why are you considering folding now?

Against a completely unknown villain, I think I have to call here.

To be honest Keith, I wasn't - I called, however in game I did reconsider my plan and considered folding, albeit very briefly.  I posted as a couple of people, who are NOT MTT high stakes regs said it was a clear pass, similar to Muckthenuts, Mantis, Pleno - so wanted to get someviews if my line to call was well off the mark.  Based on Middy / Trigg / your response v Mantis, Pleno, Muck, Pinchop - I am assuming it was a tough spot and not a terrible call.

Thanks for replies

[Pinchop73]

Under normal circumstances I can see calling being extremely profitable vs this type of villain.

But one really has to consider the situation. A ssmtt reg, on the pure bubble of the big109 (a min cash represents a massive win for him, this hand will be EXTREMELY important to him) checking the turn, then over jamming the river.

A failed turn check raise, now trying to get max value is how I viewed it. I'm not sure if he even bets AT otr just in case you've checked behind ott with the FH yourself. I know a lot of people can be overly aggro on the bubble, just struggle to see it from this particular guy.

Ta

[Oxford_HRV]

think he is never shoving worse than your hand on the river and i feel  he would take the line he took with TT, he has opened MP and just flatted the 3b pre on the pure bubble which is feasible, check called the flop, got to see the river for free and jammed hoping you've taken a soft line with an ace I presume? can't see much else villain would take that line with,
if he is decent and is a winning player at lower stakes I doubt he is opening a weakish ace and much more likely a mid pair.
 as others have said a cash for villain here would be great for him so never risking it all with less

[jgcblack]

Under normal circumstances I can see calling being extremely profitable vs this type of villain.

But one really has to consider the situation. A ssmtt reg, on the pure bubble of the big109 (a min cash represents a massive win for him, this hand will be EXTREMELY important to him) checking the turn, then over jamming the river.

A failed turn check raise, now trying to get max value is how I viewed it. I'm not sure if he even bets AT otr just in case you've checked behind ott with the FH yourself. I know a lot of people can be overly aggro on the bubble, just struggle to see it from this particular guy.

Ta

First time for everything, but I agree with the welsh boy.

Looks like AQ/TT when he overbet jams.

I dont play mtt's but in cash overbets are rarley air.

[youthnkzR]

i really dont like this hand, have actually been looking at this thread for >20 minutes before deciding to respond as i think its a pretty gross spot and situation, however changes i would make to the hand are:

- 3bet smaller (4855-5155)
- with the smaller 3bet your flop sizing is now OK - however as played bet more on the flop (~6555)
- bet turn (~8k-10k)
- now if he bets river instead of checking to you its a clear fold imo (regardless of price - although we can tilt rofl it in and he can show up with KQs / AJ very very rarely) - but im pretty confident hes going to check to you and i personally would be checking back (in this particular spot due to pretty gross run out) - however if you decide to go for thin value (betting in this spot WOULD be thin vs villan imo) then pray hes a spaz.