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« on: January 04, 2013, 12:51:52 AM »

http://weaktight.com/5372787

Kleopl is a regular  player who plays a lot. He is loose pre, 34/29 over 400 hands and he has been playing even looser over the last 50, with a stack thats been between 3-4x average stack. We are 3/13 average is like 6.9k though.

He has been opening outrageously wide, rarely 4betting, but peeling 3bets a lot versus a variety of stack sizes. He is playing fit or fold post, and i certainly think he would view me with a degree of respect in general, ie, he has been tight vs me before relatively. The field is softer than normal with the 13 remaining imo.

Options pre? Do we get coffined too much pre, and should just try and play a small pot oop? Sample isn't big enough for statistical conclusion imo so would like your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 01:25:19 AM »

Dunno about recreational, doesn't he play this more than you?

Raising seems bad OOP vs an aggro big stack with this hand. 

He can put you in a world of pain here.  He doesn't fold to 3 bets often and has position on you with the biggest stack at the table.  He either misclicked or has you down as a terrible nit.

What actually happend in the hand seems like the nut best result to me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 01:38:34 AM »

Dunno about recreational, doesn't he play this more than you?

Raising seems bad OOP vs an aggro big stack with this hand. 

He can put you in a world of pain here.  He doesn't fold to 3 bets often and has position on you with the biggest stack at the table.  He either misclicked or has you down as a terrible nit.

What actually happend in the hand seems like the nut best result to me.

Well i have 700 hands on some regulars and I'm one of the few that play a lot of 22/33 s or even 4.40s. I've been working really hard running equities too etc, I just don't think he is good.

I can't decide if he coffins me enough because he was so fit or fold, and he will only 4b a hand we are absolutely crushed by. But at the same time him folding does seem like nut best result so really hard to say, our hand isn't the best ever. Quite nice to 3/fold here too for long term balance if he is good like you hint at.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 02:05:10 AM »

Dunno about recreational, doesn't he play this more than you?

Raising seems bad OOP vs an aggro big stack with this hand.  

He can put you in a world of pain here.  He doesn't fold to 3 bets often and has position on you with the biggest stack at the table.  He either misclicked or has you down as a terrible nit.

What actually happend in the hand seems like the nut best result to me.

Well i have 700 hands on some regulars and I'm one of the few that play a lot of 22/33 s or even 4.40s. I've been working really hard running equities too etc, I just don't think he is good.

I can't decide if he coffins me enough because he was so fit or fold, and he will only 4b a hand we are absolutely crushed by. But at the same time him folding does seem like nut best result so really hard to say, our hand isn't the best ever. Quite nice to 3/fold here too for long term balance if he is good like you hint at.

I don't know whether he is good or not.  I am sure he has turned up with hands that have got me going wtf? vs me.  I'd rather play OOP vs people who are are average and passive rather than average and aggro this close to the bubble.  i don't think he plays fit or fold vs me, but maybe he sees me as more spewy.

Looking at his sharkscope, he seems to be doing alright. +$11k at PLO8 in scheduled tournaments in the last year or so isn't bad when the main daily only gets 30 or 40 runners.  There can't be many beating that in the scheduled plo8 tournaments on stars anymore.  Certainly beats me, but I only play a handful a week.  

edit, just realised it was the 50 that paid 12, think the 100 only paid 5 or so.  So it wasn't that close to the bubble.  I'd still not like raising OOP vs the biggets stack OOP with a fairly vulnerable single suited A2xy vs an aggro player.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 02:42:37 AM »

It was definitely 109. Interesting, I had him as green today which is fish then changed to yellow today because he played so well. Now you mention it I possibly remember his name on 2+2 with a charmander avatar so maybe stats warped by sample size
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