4bp In pos hero/ villan lines- ranges?

[SuuPRlim]

you're thinking is pretty good but you're kind of muddling a few things up imo. "what if X doesn't happen, what if Y does etc"

WHat you should be thinking about is his range and his range when he 4bets OOP is pretty strong (assuming he doesn't make a habbit of 4betting wildly in 9handed fishfests) so what you're doing, regardless of all the fancy plans you might have is playing a hand his range crushes in an inflated pot? I mean I just don't know why we'd do that, when we can not do it and not doing it doesn't risk 800 of our pounds oop repping a range we don't even have and if we did would be under it vs his range vs one of only 3 people at the table who even know these words exist?

[cambridgealex]

you're thinking is pretty good but you're kind of muddling a few things up imo. "what if X doesn't happen, what if Y does etc"

WHat you should be thinking about is his range and his range when he 4bets OOP is pretty strong (assuming he doesn't make a habbit of 4betting wildly in 9handed fishfests) so what you're doing, regardless of all the fancy plans you might have is playing a hand his range crushes in an inflated pot? I mean I just don't know why we'd do that, when we can not do it and not doing it doesn't risk 800 of our pounds oop repping a range we don't even have and if we did would be under it vs his range vs one of only 3 people at the table who even know these words exist?

Posts like this just show how players in Cody's entourage like Dave really are talented poker minds.

[jgcblack]

tbh it was an experiment.. its the first time ive encountered a situation where I feel I know a lot about one player, have position on him, good stacks and he knows little or nothing about me.  I wanted to use my hand reading and position to play this hand in position with a player who is good enough to fold if he only makes one pair.. if he does.

I am well aware that I dont have an optimum hand for it but its also not going to be a situation that might arise anytime soon and within a few orbits he is likely to have a better built image of me to use to counter the knowledge I have on him, might even be an edge for a while.

It's lil'dave right? Do you really think his range is really that strong when he raises late pos and gets 3bt by the btn 'unknown' then decides to take the pot hu with the initiative?  I'm not saying he would 4bt everything.. but I think he's going to prefer to have the initiative since he doesnt have position and he has no information..

obviously this is a FPS hand that got me a W and some £'s.. it might create some levelling in the future for the players witness to it or aware of who I am but he is going to need to have a premium + hit/ find a safe board to win this hand I feel.. which was the point preflop..


Would you guys be 5bt-ing premiums in my spot, or is peeling everything to the 4bt going to be better (imo) long term???




We have to remind ourselves that he opened the CO to 2 known fish and 1 unknown btn player.. I really dont think his range has to be that strong at all tbh..

[SuuPRlim]

yes it is, and hello

I'm all for these experimental type plays, it's defo advisable to try new stuff out. However this sounds to me (and again only my opinion) like a kind of misguided experiment (no dig at all I conduct these on a regular basis and get slammed by my friends for them generally ) the main reason I think it's misguided is you're kind of saying that you think you have a small edge should a certain spot crop up, you vs Stato in a pot together because you know quite a bit about him and he knows nothing about you, this is true, and should the spot come up I think you'd have a big advantage there, imo this ISNT that spot and you've kind of created needlessly, and you're putting yourself in a rele high V, spewy spot as a result.

on his range, I'd personally expect him to be SUPER strong here, he knows nothing about you, doesn't know if youre a huge whale or if you beat 25/50 on iPoker, if you're likely to 5bet light, peel 4bets, knowing what I know of Andy spose he opened  , and got 3bet in this spot, he'd just fold because whats the need of getting into a spot with terrible visibility with a trashy hand? Sure throw some air in, but given the way those games are, any non reg on reg 4bets you must give credit for being strong imo, I'd go as far to say in this spot Andy is about 98% value heavy, but again I might be wrong and I'm purely going with my instincts on the spot.

as for what you should be 5betting I think it's a very good idea to flat everything with stacks as they are. However, in a vacuum because of what I think above ^ i'd 5bet AA, KK, QQ for sure because i think he has a hand almost always.

[SuuPRlim]

you're thinking is pretty good but you're kind of muddling a few things up imo. "what if X doesn't happen, what if Y does etc"

WHat you should be thinking about is his range and his range when he 4bets OOP is pretty strong (assuming he doesn't make a habbit of 4betting wildly in 9handed fishfests) so what you're doing, regardless of all the fancy plans you might have is playing a hand his range crushes in an inflated pot? I mean I just don't know why we'd do that, when we can not do it and not doing it doesn't risk 800 of our pounds oop repping a range we don't even have and if we did would be under it vs his range vs one of only 3 people at the table who even know these words exist?

Posts like this just show how players in Cody's entourage like Dave really are talented poker minds.

burn goulder

[mulhuzz]

i thought this was a fun experiment, because it's exactly the kind of FPS levelling ego wars I get into playing live cash as well.

trust me (not for poker knowledge of live cash...i'm fairly tez at it, but for experience) this just costs money long term and not even just little money, but bags of it. But I guess you learned that by now

more of this discussion in pha pls. good stuff.

[pleno1]

fantastic first ever post by JB btw, set the standards v early.

[LonOhRay]

What I'd like to discuss is the likely ranges for both players at each point.. arriving at reasonable bluff/ value ranges given no history, no reason to think either is spewy or out of line

[wazz]

My first thought on villains range was that it's very AK-heavy by the river so I'd call with that and anything that beats that. I can't imagine him tripling as a bluff on this runout as you should have AK in your range as well. I doubt he's barrelling worse for value either; his range should be AK, AA, AQ and QQ, and I imagine all those hands play all those streets the same way, for the most part, so AK is the most likely hand combinatorically.

I call preflop with some non-premium hands but I fold the flop unless I've connected in some way.

[gs08bjohnson]

This thread has made my head hurt and my eyes sore.

You kids are all crazy.

It's okay to 3 bet fold, people don't think less of you for it.