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Kilgore_Trout
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« on: June 02, 2013, 07:26:59 PM »

Wondering if/when most players would fold this hand against a player with somewhat fishy tendancies at times (and big fishy talk)...

Live £1/£1 at DTD. Player to my immediate right (big talker) is very active pre flop raising to £5 about every 3rd or 4th hand. Post flop he is mostly pretty straightforward. However he loves to talk super aggressive so every hand its like "if I'd gone all in on the flop/turn/river they couldn't have called" etc etc. However, he's only really gotten out of line with some weird plays a hand full of times in around 2 or 3 hours but this has cost him and he's on his 3rd buy in. I've been playing pretty tight, ABC.

Big Talker is SB in this hand and I'm BB. We both have around £130.

UTG straddles to £2.

Its folded around to Big Talk in the SB who makes it £6. I have    . I re-raise to £17. I dont want the straddler to call, I'd rather be heads up in position with most likely the best hand. UTG straddler folds. SB thinks for a while and flat calls.

So £36 in the pot and the flop comes  three clubs.

BT checks. With TPTK I bet £17.

BT check-raises to £35.

Hmmm. I'm not really loving it too much but I can't find a fold here so I call (to re-evaluate on the turn Smiley). I guess I'm hoping he's making a move so he gives up on the turn. Maybe he has 5-6 for a straight draw. Or there are plenty of J-x hands that I'm ahead of, though he's probably more likely to check call those - maybe.

Turn is

He thinks for a few seconds and shoves for around £80.

Hmmm well he could he have KJ, QJ, J9 which I can beat. Or a small set (jacks seems unlikely) which I can't - this probably feels like his most likely hand. A pocket pair seems unlikely. Or just some wild bluff - possibly getting out of line after trying to steal the straddle.

Anyways I'm pretty sure it should have been a fold?Huh?? but curiosity is a terrible thing so after some dwellage I pressed the call button.

Spoiler alert.....








He had pocket aces.



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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 07:32:15 PM »

Vs villain described I definitely wouldn't fold, especially if it was the one I was hearing while on the 1/2 as he's just a mentalist.

I'd probably end up jamming the flop and going broke that way.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 08:22:34 PM »

Preflop is bad - don't be afraid of playing a multiway pot. You're probably marginally ahead of his opening range, depending on how positionally aware he is, but he might fold enough of the hands you beat to leave you behind his continuing range. Being HU is of relatively little value, especially when you have a hand that is as weak as yours.

Postflop I would be pretty happy to get it in and consider it a cooler that you were up against a hand as strong as that.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 08:48:24 PM »

Preflop is bad - don't be afraid of playing a multiway pot. You're probably marginally ahead of his opening range, depending on how positionally aware he is, but he might fold enough of the hands you beat to leave you behind his continuing range. Being HU is of relatively little value, especially when you have a hand that is as weak as yours.

Postflop I would be pretty happy to get it in and consider it a cooler that you were up against a hand as strong as that.

I like preflop against this type of villain.

Key to this hand imo is the BT check minraise otf.

Having 'been' one of these people, I don't think I've ever checkminraised, but the ones I see do it - absolutely don't balance it...
You're just crushed way too often.

Flop flop after the chkminr, other than that, wp.


Main thing I would be looking to do vs this exact villain is to be 3bt-ing him small - A LOT.
These type of players often go too aggressive or too passive in these situations.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 06:50:39 AM »

Call
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