Flopped nut flush draw hand 1, $10/20 PLO

[wazz]

UTG is french and seems pretty good. Not in the superlag hero live PLO player way, he's loose enough pre but seems to hand-read very well and slowplays a lot, in good spots. UTG+1 is pretty awful and just wants to get it all-in on any street in any hand.

Button straddle to $40, UTG opens to $140, UTG+1 calls, I call along with , 2 callers behind.

Flop ($800): As

Checked to me. Both UTG and UTG+1 have ~ $4k left. Check or bet?

I check, checked through.

Turn ($800): As

UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $500, I raise to $1500.

How are we doing so far?

[Pinchop73]

I absolutely want to b/3b the flop vs described villains.

As played, I feel flatting turn might be the best play vs this French guy, as I feel raising turn might loose a lot of value from a river bet. Ie I don't ever want him folding the turn, and by just flatting it keeps his river value range much wider/keeps our range fairly deceptive. I think we're polarising our range by raising turn.

[SuuPRlim]

is this at the Aria, and is the french UTG skinny with spikey-ish black hair? If so he is my friend Phil and is very good.

Can't see any reason not to bet the flop, we are likely to have the best hand and an opponent weak enough to value-bet against, and our hand can easily stand a check-raise, all checking serves to do is allow hands that would fold (Txxx, pairs, KQ/QJ/QJ) etc to outdraw us on the turn where the absolute value of our hand if we don't turn a flush will be reduced and we'll be left bluff-catching/guessing.

The only upside to the flop check is if we do hit a club on the turn then we are loving it as we're almost always getting a bet of someone and we may well stack a smaller flush.

As played yup raise the turn as UTG clearly has nothing and he'll see our over-call as a flush almost everytime and he'd need either the naked or with some additional equity (which I doubt he has having chked twice with UTG+1 in the hand) to try do anything stupid. UTG+1 v likely has a flush himself and will call this raise pretty much always if your description of him is correct. Sizing seems good, wouldn't go any bigger, 1200 is too little so 1300-1500 is perfect imo.

Obviously we'll be all in on the river as well, and i think we can still valuebet pairing river cards as well, maybe not for all-in.

[Pinchop73]

I guess if he's bet calling Khigh flushes on the turn then I guess your going to get maximum value on the river.

With villain as described I think a decent flush is certainly a large part of his betting range.

Just wouldn't be sure he'd call the lot off otr with a Khigh flush after b/c'ing the turn, hence thinking you'd get more value from another bet on the river with flatting the turn. Interesting tho

[wazz]

This is at the wynn and french guy is David C, who you also might know.

I have a few reasons to check the flop. Firstly, when you flop top pair + nfd most people expect you to bet it, so I'm more likely to stack someone if it comes, whereas they're likely to fold a J-K high fd now without extras or when it comes later down the line if I bet it. While there is some value to protecting vs Ax that can catch up on the turn, there aren't a huge amount of straight draws that will call me either, and I'm still a slight dog vs AT which is most of what's going to give me action on the flop and will play fairly well vs me if I bet.

If I get outdrawn on the turn I can still call a bet if one comes; also I have a bdfd and bdsd.

Pinchop it was the bad player that led the turn rather than the French guy.

[Patonius2000]

Looks good wp

[Pinchop73]

Pinchop it was the bad player that led the turn rather than the French guy.

I see that now, yeah. He's far more likely to stack off. Lovely line.

[JK]

Dont we have top and bottom OTF? This seems a stong hand along with our nut flush draw

[SuuPRlim]

yh we got top+bottom, with a weak player in the pot who's gonna call all worse FD's, A*** with only 2 fresh pair outs, T5** if he somehow has that TKJ/KQ/QJ type hands, in a reggy 6m game online with these stacks I like the play too but in an 8 handed live game with this type of player feels like we're butchering a lot of value.

The gd UTG player very likely just has nothing here as he'd be very likely to VB vs the UTG1 with strong equity, and UTG1 is never folding a flopped FD and always paying off one more bet when he hits