scoop PLO8 low

[Ironside]

short stack is a total fish had been up to 15k defending his blinds with hands like 7722 no suits and 3448 one suit

raiser knows this do i call the shove (shove is same as call basically)
should i have raised the c-bet?

PokerStars Hand #116228355262: Tournament #894306944, $24.55+$2.45 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2014/05/15 20:39:20 WET [2014/05/15 15:39:20 ET]
Table '894306944 156' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pokerl)eviL (8321 in chips)
Seat 2: Rodrigo_rj85 (8649 in chips)
Seat 3: 4degswarmer (4348 in chips)
Seat 4: 1989robin (6068 in chips)
Seat 5: SvetJordanov (2290 in chips)
Seat 6: Ironside (5725 in chips)
Seat 7: rocco xx (6310 in chips)
Seat 8: FeCoNiCuZn (1356 in chips)
Seat 9: ratajpoker (5364 in chips)
rocco xx: posts small blind 50
FeCoNiCuZn: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ Ah]
ratajpoker: folds
Pokerl)eviL: folds
Rodrigo_rj85: folds
4degswarmer: folds
1989robin: raises 100 to 200
SvetJordanov: folds
Ironside: calls 200
rocco xx: folds
FeCoNiCuZn: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [ ]
FeCoNiCuZn: checks
1989robin: bets 520
Ironside: calls 520
FeCoNiCuZn: raises 636 to 1156 and is all-in
1989robin: raises 3482 to 4638

[Doobs]

think you have to fold here.  1 pair and 1 out to the nut high, 4 to the low.   It feels really marginal and half the table are llikely awful.  I'd be pretty annoyed with myself if I went out here

[Ironside]

not going to say what i did here yet but i am still in
do you factor in the back door ?

you think the bigger stack might be there with a bigger flush draw and the nut low draw?
would it not be more likely he has either set of aces with the low draw or the flush draw and no low draw? AK23 putting him on the K2c is just too narrow IMHO

[Doobs]

not going to say what i did here yet but i am still in
do you factor in the back door ?

you think the bigger stack might be there with a bigger flush draw and the nut low draw?
would it not be more likely he has either set of aces with the low draw or the flush draw and no low draw? AK23 putting him on the K2c is just too narrow IMHO

Better aces have you in trouble too?  Hard to hit your 3 kicker when holding 2 of them.  Someone has a flush draw, your knacked too.   Just struggling to think what you in good shape against.  You have gin cards obv, so it isn't all doom and gloom.

[Ironside]

what about this one average stack is 18k
think i should of shoved but seemed blergh

PokerStars Hand #116235017964: Tournament #894306944, $24.55+$2.45 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2014/05/15 22:49:32 WET [2014/05/15 17:49:32 ET]
Table '894306944 54' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: greerzy_2 (7843 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (23407 in chips)
Seat 3: kote007969 (12060 in chips)
Seat 4: Silas501 (20089 in chips)
Seat 5: 13Zander13 (17254 in chips)
Seat 6: sosickPL (16451 in chips)
Seat 7: Emaa (22390 in chips)
Seat 8: ActionDave (7575 in chips)
Seat 9: AlexElizarov (25966 in chips)
13Zander13: posts small blind 250
sosickPL: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ As ]
Emaa: folds
ActionDave is disconnected
ActionDave has timed out while disconnected
ActionDave: folds
ActionDave is sitting out
AlexElizarov: folds
greerzy_2: folds
Ironside: raises 750 to 1250
kote007969: folds
Silas501: folds
13Zander13: folds
sosickPL: calls 750
*** FLOP *** [ ]
sosickPL: checks
Ironside: bets 1250
sosickPL: raises 5250 to 6500
Ironside: folds

[dakky]

what about this one average stack is 18k
think i should of shoved but seemed blergh

PokerStars Hand #116235017964: Tournament #894306944, $24.55+$2.45 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2014/05/15 22:49:32 WET [2014/05/15 17:49:32 ET]
Table '894306944 54' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: greerzy_2 (7843 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (23407 in chips)
Seat 3: kote007969 (12060 in chips)
Seat 4: Silas501 (20089 in chips)
Seat 5: 13Zander13 (17254 in chips)
Seat 6: sosickPL (16451 in chips)
Seat 7: Emaa (22390 in chips)
Seat 8: ActionDave (7575 in chips)
Seat 9: AlexElizarov (25966 in chips)
13Zander13: posts small blind 250
sosickPL: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ As ]
Emaa: folds
ActionDave is disconnected
ActionDave has timed out while disconnected
ActionDave: folds
ActionDave is sitting out
AlexElizarov: folds
greerzy_2: folds
Ironside: raises 750 to 1250
kote007969: folds
Silas501: folds
13Zander13: folds
sosickPL: calls 750
*** FLOP *** [ ]
sosickPL: checks
Ironside: bets 1250
sosickPL: raises 5250 to 6500
Ironside: folds

I'd check the flop personally

[lucky_scrote]

Yeh check flop, your hand isn't very good really. Only a very few cards can make you the nuts, anything 2-7 is turd.

[Ironside]

are you guys check calling or check folding?

[tikay]

Yeh check flop, your hand isn't very good really. Only a very few cards can make you the nuts, anything 2-7 is turd.

Same here, we are risking a lot for what will most likely be half at best. Makes no sense to bet, we can be put in such an awful spot if we do.

[SuuPRlim]

Fold #1, it's a shame our hand is cool but it's all kicking off and we just don't have the goods.

#2 is close, oppo is a good player too (idk how gd at plo8) thinking we Might have to be allin given we have top-pair and can scoop without hitting a club. Check/call the flop for me though I think, I guess we could bet/fold actually with the stacks he's not gonna punt 30bb in blindly and I doubt he's ever raise folding here...

Mmmm

[Ironside]

Fold #1, it's a shame our hand is cool but it's all kicking off and we just don't have the goods.

#2 is close, oppo is a good player too (idk how gd at plo8) thinking we Might have to be allin given we have top-pair and can scoop without hitting a club. Check/call the flop for me though I think, I guess we could bet/fold actually with the stacks he's not gonna punt 30bb in blindly and I doubt he's ever raise folding here...

Mmmm

i am thinking in the 2nd hand his holdings are likely hands like my first hand a low draw and a baby flush draw

[TommyD]

Hand 2 is an easy check behind for me.  We have a strong claim on one half of the pot and zero claim on the considerable possibility of the other half of the pot being up for grabs.

Keep the pot under control, get to most show downs and attack the pot if the board runs out a strong high pot only in our favour.  Let them level themselves with Bad A2xx hands or bad flushes when that comes in.  The turn will pretty much define the route we should be going with this.

Hand 1, sigh, so pretty, but going multi way probably into the strongest parts of ranges.  Fold.