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« on: January 23, 2015, 06:01:05 PM »

8 left in a €100 6max turbo, we are 4 handed. There was about 10 paid so we're just itm and are 8/8. Blinds 600/1200/150

BTN (16635)
SB (65729)
BB (12981)
UTG (49080)

UTG raises 2400, folds to us, readless but it's a very soft site generally.

Thoughts on what our jamming range and peeling range should look like.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2015, 06:32:28 PM »

I'd just hrc what to jam and not worry too much about passing up edges as we will have a way higher edge with more chips and in these tournies the oay jumps are small.

As far as peeling.. I wouldn't fold much.  Would call every single suited hand (that hrc doesn't say to jam) and most off suit stuff, folding like 85o and worse, 75o and worse 95o and worse although they are pretty close too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2015, 08:01:18 PM »

I'd just hrc what to jam and not worry too much about passing up edges as we will have a way higher edge with more chips and in these tournies the oay jumps are small.

As far as peeling.. I wouldn't fold much.  Would call every single suited hand (that hrc doesn't say to jam) and most off suit stuff, folding like 85o and worse, 75o and worse 95o and worse although they are pretty close too.

Never used HRC before but having trouble downloading it for mac. Having trouble in general getting good poker software for macbook. Any tips?
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2015, 09:53:19 AM »

Pretty baffling how a man once walked on the moon but so much poker software doesn't work oN macs!
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 02:24:42 PM »

Yeh it's ridic. Got to run windows through parrelels/bootcamp unfortunately.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2015, 11:08:56 PM »

I like to peel a few hands that you can normally jam that flop really well when I have 15bbs because you can check jam so many boards it's awesome.

An example might be QJs but anything like KTo I just rip because it's harder to check rip post.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2015, 11:14:33 PM »

I like to peel a few hands that you can normally jam that flop really well when I have 15bbs because you can check jam so many boards it's awesome.

An example might be QJs but anything like KTo I just rip because it's harder to check rip post.

What about with 10bbs Dan?

Interested in this. Pleno's peeling range was quite a bit wider than what I would peel. I'd be interested to see some maths behind how peeling 96o J3o etc was profitable. I'm sure he's right mind, just fascinating to me how much the game has changed.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 01:12:25 AM »

I'd be interested to see some maths behind how peeling 96o J3o etc was profitable.

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2015, 01:40:02 AM »

when they cbet fold we add so much to our stack, also peeling aa/kk/qq often too unless they are tight and opening into shallow stacks etc too.

96o is definitely a v easy peel, j3 harder to make profitable though and i probably fold in game and im sure its definitely fine to peel.

with all these folds though you just have to make them more profitable than folding is. not necessarily expecting to even make a profit by defending, but maybe just lose less than you lose by folding etc.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2015, 11:00:46 AM »

u lose 0 by folding noob
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2015, 12:39:25 PM »

in the bb? i mean bb/100

we can end the hand with a higher expectation than -100bb/100 i meant
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2015, 01:23:51 PM »

I like to peel a few hands that you can normally jam that flop really well when I have 15bbs because you can check jam so many boards it's awesome.

An example might be QJs but anything like KTo I just rip because it's harder to check rip post.

What about with 10bbs Dan?


Off 10bbs I peel more than jamming because you have a lot less fold equity. I think main factor is opponents stack because if they have heaps they are just so much more likely to call you. Obv going to be re-jamming all aces off 10bb's and much more likely to jam hands like KQ KJ for value (whereas off 15bb I'm more inclined to peel). I'm not sure if this is the right line of thinking but I am definitely less likely to rejam 78s off 10bb than I am 15bb.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2015, 02:37:47 PM »

u lose 0 by folding noob

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