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« on: March 10, 2006, 04:09:51 PM »

online cash game 0.20 / 0.40, five handed

My stack is £48

Bad Guy 1 stack is £65

Bad Guy 2 stack is £23

Pre flop

BG1 Call

Me     raise to £2.00

BG2 Call

everyone else folds

BG1 Calls

FLOP

 two hearts

BG1 checks

Me - Bet £4

BG2 calls

BG1 Calls

TURN 

BG1 bets £10

I re raise all in

BG2 calls all in

BG1 calls

River 

BG1 shows  boat 2's full of 6's

BG2 shows boat 6's full of 4's

I am left holding a useless nut flush.

Now on the turn I feel i should have got away from my hand, the guy more or less told me he had it with his bet, but I think i misread it for a smaller flush.

Opinions please, how could I have got away from this?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 05:02:39 PM »

Everything going right until you hit a bad river....  you prob should've flat called the river bet-  not much point in raising up as if he's bluffing, you won't get any more, plus you've got another still to act who might be tempted to flat call as well (assuming they both don't have you beat at that stage).  If you flat call and the next guy re-raises then you get lots of information and can still get away, especially after the next guy calls his all in re-raise....  the river is just too ugly to reraise even with top flush.  Always think about why you're making the bet you're making and what you can get out of it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 06:12:47 PM »

I think that the reraise all in was on the turn?? Can you confirm newman?

I am guessing that BG1 had pocket 2's, therefore flopped the house. And BG2 had A6 or similar. Therefore he rivered the bigger house against BG1 who was ahead all the way till then.

As for the way you played it - if youd have just flat caled on the turn then you would have/ should have been able to get away from it. But, as they say, its easy in hindsight!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 08:01:20 PM »

Yep the all in was on the turn.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 08:09:10 PM »

Another one for the Big Billy Book of Bad Beats (and cold decks)

If the book grosses  £10,000, It's all due in the tin.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2006, 02:37:54 AM »

Another one for the Big Billy Book of Bad Beats (and cold decks)

If the book grosses  £10,000, It's all due in the tin.

Not a bad beat, I was behind the whole way, I want to know how i could have got away from it.  I know the possible house or quads it there, I just refused to recognise it.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2006, 02:50:54 AM »

Cold decked Billy, no-one folds this in a cash game without solid tell info.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2006, 03:14:59 AM »

easy on big yin,

I was'nt cold decked, as a matter of fact I had won the last 3 pots ( 2 of which I won, the other i purchased ), I fell i should have read something on these guys, It's an online game but still both flat calling, perhaps I should have called the turn.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2006, 03:22:40 AM »

By cold-decked I mean being dealt a powerful hand that you're just not going to get away from and an opponent being dealt a bigger one.

Too many possible holdings that you could still have beat, samller flushes, overpairs, trips. At the end of the day, they only called £4 on the flop. Everytime someone calls a £4 flop bet then bets oot, ye cannae put them on a boat or quads.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2006, 04:58:45 AM »

Between my Billy bashing and the odd "is your google broke" remark people might get the impression that I'm not the friendly easy-going type. (that's how I like to think of myself anyway)

Keep posting hands if you have questions captain. I just feel you'd benefit more from looking at hands with more marginal desicions than this one here.

A lot of these hands may not have gone to showdown, or you may have ended up winning the pot. It's natural to assume the only problems in your game will be found where you lost big pots. The unique nature of poker is that this is not always the case.

Your biggest "mistakes" of the evening could be in pots that you won. Or even folding where you shouldn't have. When you lose all your chippies like this, that's just poker, nothing you can do.

Your move on the turn was hunky-dory as far as I'm concerned.

Folding would have been weak, opponent who bet into you may have a hand such as A6 and doesn't want to see another heart, they could have a smaller flush or a made straight. In all these cases, he's probably betting because he doesn't want to let his opponents see a fourth heart on the river for free.

A smaller raise would allow you to get away when the others went nuts, but you arn't deep-stacked enough to lay this down.

The other option, flat-calling the turn, is also not the best play IMO. Your hand figures to be best most of the time and the turn is your biggest chance of getting paid off.

In conclusion then, the answer to your question in the threads title is nowhere. You played ok and got unlucky to run into a made monster and a rivered monster.
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