AK v JJ pre-flop allin

[mikee_j]

heres what happened: (i'm mikee_j obviously)

2 Table $10:Table 2 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (30.00|60.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money



- Mikee_j sitting in seat 1 with $1490.00

- southers sitting in seat 2 with $3545.00

- ella_1 sitting in seat 3 with $2000.00

- mr-mj sitting in seat 4 with $1570.00

- haddowbox sitting in seat 5 with $1060.00

- Nuggiz0r sitting in seat 6 with $1570.00

- Kalico sitting in seat 7 with $1335.00 [Dealer]

- billylarge sitting in seat 8 with $1555.00

- thenuts50 sitting in seat 10 with $830.00



billylarge posted the small blind - $15.00

thenuts50 posted the big blind - $30.00



** Dealing card to Mikee_j: Jack of Spades, Jack of Diamonds

Mikee_j raised - $120.00

southers called - $120.00

ella_1 folded

mr-mj folded

haddowbox folded

Nuggiz0r folded

Kalico folded

billylarge folded

thenuts50 went all-in - $830.00

Mikee_j called - $860.00

southers folded

thenuts50 shows: Ace of Hearts, King of Hearts



** Dealing the flop: Queen of Hearts, 3 of Clubs, 3 of Spades



** Dealing the turn: 4 of Clubs



** Dealing the river: Queen of Clubs

Mikee_j wins $1855.00 from the main pot





i won the hand and made a comment that i didn't think his play was good as he didn't need to go allin, seeing as the blinds are still low, there were still 19 players left and his stack was still fairly big in relation to the blinds. I think i would have reraised with AK 200 or 300 still leaving 500ish in my stack (and hoping to take the pot there) and would be able to get away from the hand if nothing was flopped. we had an argument (or should i say debate) online for a while about the hand and everyone was saying that an allin was the right play, which i can't understand.


any comments or thoughts 

[Bongo]

Why criticise other people's play?

[Gryffles]

Let the fish swim in peace.

[mikee_j]

Why criticise other people's play?

he was going on about how unlucky he always is and asked poeple how he should have played it, i'm not one to criticise other players, just thought it was strange that no-one at the table thought the same as i did!

[clayftknight]

All in may not always be the best move here, but it's certainly not a 'bad' move.

As for him getting unlucky, he was behind, no big deal.

[Dewi_cool]

I thin the only person qualified to comment is Ironside AKA 5 nil

[Ironside]

the move all in here with the AK is a great move

making it 300 to play means he will get called by the 2 people already in the pot cause its only another 180 to them and they have already 120 in pot

there is already 285 in the pot to be taken down and only 1 really scary hand and only 2 hands your a big dog too

so the all in should get anyone with less than QQ to fold if he does get called by someone with a medium pp that cant laydown to a reraise then he is getting pot odds


let say he made it 300 to play and gets 2 callers there is now 1185 in the pot and he has 500 left so now on the flop he cant scare anyoneout of drawing

once there had been a raise in this pot there was only 2 ways to play the AK that was all in or fold

[clayftknight]

Iron, why are you called 5 nil, and why are you qualified?

[Table Manners]

5-nil,

I definitely agree with you that push or fold was the only way to play AK in that situation,

but do you think calling with the jacks was a good call?

I'm pretty sure I'd be calling with the jacks in this situation for a few reasons:

1) It's only a $10 tourney, so you never know what marginal hands the opponent might have (maybe 7's through to 10's).
2) I wouldn't think KK or AA wouldn've have tried to scare everyone off the pot with a push (You may still have to worry about QQ tho).
3) Even if I lost the pot, I'd still have chips to play with.

You're very likely to be racing in this situation tho, so perhaps a fold is the best move and wait for a time when you can get your chips in further ahead.

[Ironside]

clay i am called 5 nil as i hammered Tikay 5 nil in the HU matches we played holdem,PLO,PLO8,irish and superstud (i had never heard of superstud till he challenged me)

i am quailfied to answer the question as i am the AK supremo

in other words i never win with AK



table manners

unless i am sure that southers is folding i wont call here with the jacks as i hate calling off my stack

ok your not all in here but if southers calls you are pot committed and will have to go all in on flop

the only time i will call off my stack is with the nuts or if i am trapping or i am extreemely short stacked

in this case you can get away from the hand and use my edge as "the worlds worst player" to get the chips when i am in a better position

[SupaMonkey]

Mikee_j,

I think you need a stronger hand than JJ to call in this spot here. The action has gone raise, call and raise all in. The raise and flat call show strength and the reraise all in says KK, QQ here to me. A smaller reraise (maybe around half of his stack) would say AA. Also, there is still someone behind you who has you both covered. You made an up front raise and he flat called you so he could easily have had a monster here.

I like the all in by the A-K. The guy is clearly getting short and is trying to protect his hand. He can't really information raise without commiting himself. He could have easily walked into a monster here but i don't think he has a choice but to move in and pray.

Just my 2p.

[mikee_j]

some good points of view, thanks. the hand previous to the one played left 'thenuts50' losing a fair portion of his stack and he had been overly aggressive with smaller hands (KJ was one). my initial thought was that he was on tilt and tying to take the pot with a weakish hand.

[RobS]

His allin with AK sooted was the right move, and your call with the JJ was fine too. Basically the hand played itself.

Flat calling your raise with the AKs in this spot would be horrible.