OT - Cat Torturer Gets 4 Months

[Lee]

I think he should get 4 months in a juvenile detention centre.

   Seems like a pretty fair sentence to me, as far as these things are ever fair.

When would it become "unfair" then. If 6, 9 or 12 months was stated, surely you would say exactly the same?

What i would like to know is what is the abolute limit on what you would consider "fair" and this is probably at the level at which i think this should be punished.

[Claw75]

I think he should get 4 months in a juvenile detention centre.

   Seems like a pretty fair sentence to me, as far as these things are ever fair.

When would it become "unfair" then. If 6, 9 or 12 months was stated, surely you would say exactly the same?

What i would like to know is what is the abolute limit on what you would consider "fair" and this is probably at the level at which i think this should be punished.

I don't work in the legal profession, I have no idea of the range of sentences that could have been offered in this case.  When I say it seems fair to me, that is to say that reading the facts of the case and the sentence given provoked no instinctive reaction from me that the sentence was either particularly harsh, or particularly lenient.

[Trace]

If either of my boys had done something like this, I'd break their bloody legs!!

[mikkyT]

4 month sentence = 2 months in jail.

12 month sentence = 6 months in jail.

TBH I would think that 2 months in a YOI would give this little sh*t just what he doesn't need. He will come out more likely to re-offend and he will have the tools with which to do so. Plus, he will have a whole new circle of contacts with which to get involved. Most likely, he will move away from petty acts of mindless violence and into something more hardcore, like supplying the local youth with drugs outside schools - using one of the new contacts he made in the YO as a supplier (or they put him in touch with a supplier).

No employer is going to want to employ him, at least not for a good few years. Basically, theres nothing down for this toad now. Many of us will have done things in our youth that where utterly reprehensible to the older generations, even to our own generations. Be it fighting or drink related, down to driving irresponsibly. Many of us are lucky not to have gotten caught and simply "grew out of it".

For those that do get caught, a different world is waiting for them when they get out.

[Trace]

Greece has the right idea!

Compulsory National Service I reckon.

But with no degree course to get you out of it.



EDIT:  Saying that I did tell my eldest the other day that there is no way he is going into the army as soon as he leaves school and I'd much rather he chose one of the other forces.

[Raindogs]

i understand everyones disgust at a such a malevolent act of sensless violence exacted upon a helpless cat but how does this thread not constitute as flamming?

how can you have a thread  advocating the torture and shooting of human beings?

I don't.

I'm glad the scroat got some time but I don't know what good it will do.  As others have pointed out 4 months is less that is often handed out to the perpetrators of violent crimes against people.   Much as I was sickened by the video I DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CONDONE OR APPROVE OF ANY TYPE OF VIOLENT ACTION AGAINST THE PERPETRATORS.

Bolt, do you really think that there are any members on this forum who REALLY believe that the people who did this should be killed or tortured ?  People like myself have had a vent but that's it.

[Newmanseye]

I think he should get 4 months in a juvenile detention centre.

I think you should get a kick in the arse  

Why, I'm as disgusted as everyone else with what happened.

I'm definately not sticking up for him, I just happen to not believe in torturing or executing minors.

I don't support a system that leaves us all blind and toothless.

my bad mate, i though you ment I should get the time for my post.

hiding in shame now

[suzanne]

This thread has brought back some nasty memories from when i was a child.

My parents split up when I was 8 and my mum got a council house on one of the nastiest estates in Edinburgh, it was a real shock as up till then I had not lived in a "fight to survive" area.

The place we moved into was...if you can imagine...a large block with 9 pensioner flats on the ground floor and above it was 9 3 bedroomed masionettes and above that another 9 bedroomed maisonettes. The poor pensioners lifes were a misery.

There were another 4/5 blocks exactly the same.

I tried to stay out of the way as much as possible but there was one boy who was in my class at school who bullied me relentless, he also lived in my block and he would make me carry his bike up the stairs, kick and pull my hair etc but I did as he asked because i had 3 younger siblings which he threatened.

This block of flats had a "chute" system...where as you put you polly bag of rubbish in the chute which fell into a large bin at the bottom.

This nasty piece of scum (at the age of 10/11) would regularly send burning newspaper down the chute setting the bin room on fire.

He then progressed to posting cats/small dogs down the chute while the bin was on fire.

All us kids knew what he was doing but we were too scared to say anything.

He tried to pick on my younger brother and i got beaten to a pulp for defending him and we moved out the area not long after.

I dont think people are born evil but in his case I dont know.

I think a 4 month sentence would have done more harm than good...so what is the answer?

PS..wasnt going to say but he was threatning to post my brother down the chute...had him lifted up and was ready to drop.

I can imagine this guy is either in jail or (hopefully) dead.

Anyone who can drop a cat out of a 10 storey window repeatedly has a serious problem and it can only get worse...lock the nutter up.

[Sark79]

This thread has brought back some nasty memories from when i was a child.

My parents split up when I was 8 and my mum got a council house on one of the nastiest estates in Edinburgh, it was a real shock as up till then I had not lived in a "fight to survive" area.

The place we moved into was...if you can imagine...a large block with 9 pensioner flats on the ground floor and above it was 9 3 bedroomed masionettes and above that another 9 bedroomed maisonettes. The poor pensioners lifes were a misery.

There were another 4/5 blocks exactly the same.

I tried to stay out of the way as much as possible but there was one boy who was in my class at school who bullied me relentless, he also lived in my block and he would make me carry his bike up the stairs, kick and pull my hair etc but I did as he asked because i had 3 younger siblings which he threatened.

This block of flats had a "chute" system...where as you put you polly bag of rubbish in the chute which fell into a large bin at the bottom.

This nasty piece of scum (at the age of 10/11) would regularly send burning newspaper down the chute setting the bin room on fire.

He then progressed to posting cats/small dogs down the chute while the bin was on fire.

All us kids knew what he was doing but we were too scared to say anything.

He tried to pick on my younger brother and i got beaten to a pulp for defending him and we moved out the area not long after.

I dont think people are born evil but in his case I dont know.

I think a 4 month sentence would have done more harm than good...so what is the answer?

PS..wasnt going to say but he was threatning to post my brother down the chute...had him lifted up and was ready to drop.

I can imagine this guy is either in jail or (hopefully) dead.

Anyone who can drop a cat out of a 10 storey window repeatedly has a serious problem and it can only get worse...lock the nutter up.

yep suz, there are some nasty people around

[JungleCat03]

This thread highlights some of things i think humanity would benefit from getting rid of.

One of the key things for me would be feelings of revenge and retribution. When I hear of acts like this on a defenceless cat, like many others I feel disgusted and appalled.

 If it was my cat, I would no doubt want to get my hands on this guy and do him some damage. But this would be my emotional knee-jerk reaction. Luckily as an intelligent, rational human being, I am capable of rising above my instinctive base reaction and applying elements of reason and logic to my response.

I remember during the Jamie Bulger murder some years ago, a guy at my school said "give me a baseball bat and 5 minutes with venables and thompson(the 10 year old kids involved) and we'll see some justice."

I could envisage someone reading the hypothetical headline the next day..... "Man brutalises two 10 year old children with baseball bat"......and saying "give me a blowtorch and 5 minutes with that guy and we'll see some justice." And the cycle continues. Hate breeds hate.

For me the most important thing to come out of this is the need to ensure that perpertrators of crimes like this don't do it again. Take the punitive measures necessary but always have it at the forefront of your mind that this should be done to improve society and try and prevent future incidences like this occurring, not some attempt to enact retribution and quench a primal thirst for vengeance.

 

[madasahatstand]

For me the most important thing to come out of this is the need to ensure that perpertrators of crimes like this don't do it again. Take the punitive measures necessary but always have it at the forefront of your mind that this should be done to improve society and try and prevent future incidences like this occurring, not some attempt to enact retribution and quench a primal thirst for vengeance.

 

i agree

[snoopy1239]

That's no good. I assume they are scrotally challenged.

Shoot them. Slowly.

How do you shoot someone slowly??

Where do you buy these new slow motion bullets?

[Colchester Kev]

That's no good. I assume they are scrotally challenged.

Shoot them. Slowly.

How do you shoot someone slowly??

Where do you buy these new slow motion bullets?

From the Matrix shop ??

[Rod Paradise]

Don't understand a bit of what Bolt was ranting about.

But re the sentencing - i'd have got a harsher punishment if I'd found the wee scrotes doing the crime & dished out the severe kicking they deserved for it.

I'm afraid it's the attitudes of the people dishing these pathetic sentences that lead to bad areas policing their own at times (and I've heard some stories that are flaming scary).

The main problem though is that listening to the Sun & Mail campaigns for harsher sentencing is not enough - we have to attempt to pull the poeple who are born into areas and famillies considered beyond hope back into our society - why obey our laws if they get nothing for it. There's areas where if I was living there I'd be breaking a lot of laws - because you're not left a lot of choice.

[mikkyT]

Here here Rod