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[Rooky9]

Biggest is not a definitive term... if I would have said one of the big clubs you'd have a point. Undoubtedly Newcastle, Middlesbrough and sunderland are three of the biggest jobs in the country in terms of support, coverage, pressure and expectations which highlighted my point.

Never the less its all a deviation from my initial post.

[Nem]

Biggest is not a definitive term... if I would have said one of the big clubs you'd have a point. Undoubtedly Newcastle, Middlesbrough and sunderland are three of the biggest jobs in the country in terms of support, coverage, pressure and expectations which highlighted my point.

Please!

[Rooky9]

Biggest is not a definitive term... if I would have said one of the big clubs you'd have a point. Undoubtedly Newcastle, Middlesbrough and sunderland are three of the biggest jobs in the country in terms of support, coverage, pressure and expectations which highlighted my point.

Please!

erm... about 96 clubs in the PL and football leagues... all those would be in the top 20.... the fist one without doubt in the top 5 on the terms i mention above

[Rooky9]

Okay he did well at Leicester then, but it doesn't change my point in that I have said he is a good manager which those factors are taken into account. The fact is that he wont be making those decisions at a club like Man U, being a good wheeler dealer really isnt on the job description of the biggest clubs.

I appreciate that you may have a better knowledge of him as a person and his choices, but I am doubting the significance of the questions quoted, even if our inept FA did actually ask such tripe.

He hasn't had an offer froma big club (as the 3/4 of them have settled managers). Hardly a fair condemnation of his attitude if he hasn't had a chance to do it at a big (in English eyes)  club is it?

Re England job he has come out and said it live on TV in front of Shearer. He was definitely interested in the job, but too much his own man for the FA (much like Clough).

I am still not sure how Shearer gets dragged into it... he has always said he didnt want anything to do with management this year. I cant believe his name would pop up if they had asked him first.

[TightEnd]

The FA were negotiating with him to be part of a new England coaching team before they appointed the new manager

Subsequently he decided to stay at newcastle


Hence the questions of MON and Shearer on various world cup pundit panels

[brad.strider]

Biggest is not a definitive term... if I would have said one of the big clubs you'd have a point. Undoubtedly Newcastle, Middlesbrough and sunderland are three of the biggest jobs in the country in terms of support, coverage, pressure and expectations which highlighted my point.

Never the less its all a deviation from my initial post.

did you  mean to say "three of the biggest jobs in the north east" rooky?

[Rooky9]

No, see the post above.

More people watch two of those three at home than the champions of our country. you are right in the north east being a thriving footbal area that consistantly produces quality footballers

[brad.strider]

No, see the post above.

More people watch two of those three at home than the champions of our country. you are right in the north east being a thriving footbal area that consistantly produces quality footballers

ok remind me, how many trophies have these  three teams won in the last 40 years? is it two?

[Rooky9]

yawn... lets go back to my earlier post about the big club debate... its never f***** ending so lets not go there. Please dont be so narrow minded to think that trophies are the only measure of a big football club, trophies as a measure of success perhaps. yes we'd all love them but there arent enough to go round. What also gives you the right to limit the period of time to assess a club over a given period of time?

A clubs history is part of what makes a big club. (amuses me the short sightedness of some sets of supporters)
A clubs support, either week in week out at a stadium or a world wide following, is a great measure of a big club
A club that attracts the top names in the game at a given period of time is a big club
A club that is marked for various performances and styles as well as trophies is a big club
A club that has the financial power to compete with any club in the world in terms of player wages is a measure of a big club
God I could go on but i'm hoping the ounce of sense on this issue might prevail!

[Rooky9]

For the record... the answer to your question was three I believe

[Nem]

Rooky,

Sunderland and Middlesboro are not big clubs. Newcastles average home gate 15 years ago was 11,000. Yes, Newcastle are a top 6 club now, but the other two are no where near the same stature as Newcastle. Sunderland have a big stadium, but that doesnt mean shit, they are a yo-yo club and I class them as big as Leicester/Derby etc... with Middlesboro being the same size as Bolton/Birmingham City etc...

erm... about 96 clubs in the PL and football leagues... all those would be in the top 20.... the fist one without doubt in the top 5 on the terms i mention above

I class a big club as being in the top 20 clubs in the WORLD!!! Not the English league.

[brad.strider]

yawn... lets go back to my earlier post about the big club debate... its never f***** ending so lets not go there. Please dont be so narrow minded to think that trophies are the only measure of a big football club, trophies as a measure of success perhaps. yes we'd all love them but there arent enough to go round. What also gives you the right to limit the period of time to assess a club over a given period of time?

A clubs history is part of what makes a big club. (amuses me the short sightedness of some sets of supporters)
A clubs support, either week in week out at a stadium or a world wide following, is a great measure of a big club
A club that attracts the top names in the game at a given period of time is a big club
A club that is marked for various performances and styles as well as trophies is a big club
A club that has the financial power to compete with any club in the world in terms of player wages is a measure of a big club
God I could go on but i'm hoping the ounce of sense on this issue might prevail!

yawn! do you think that sunderland and middleboro suit the above criteria?

[Rooky9]

Rooky,

Sunderland and Middlesboro are not big clubs. Newcastles average home gate 15 years ago was 11,000. Yes, Newcastle are a top 6 club now, but the other two are no where near the same stature as Newcastle. Sunderland have a big stadium, but that doesnt mean shit, they are a yo-yo club and I class them as big as Leicester/Derby etc... with Middlesboro being the same size as Bolton/Birmingham City etc...

erm... about 96 clubs in the PL and football leagues... all those would be in the top 20.... the fist one without doubt in the top 5 on the terms i mention above

I class a big club as being in the top 20 clubs in the WORLD!!! Not the English league.

Nem, what was Newcastle average crowd in the 1950's?
 
I'll tell you it was bigger than it is now - a fine example of my point. Also there arent many clubs who have there name on the trophy more times than NUFC.

Agreed about your big club point

[Rooky9]

yawn... lets go back to my earlier post about the big club debate... its never f***** ending so lets not go there. Please dont be so narrow minded to think that trophies are the only measure of a big football club, trophies as a measure of success perhaps. yes we'd all love them but there arent enough to go round. What also gives you the right to limit the period of time to assess a club over a given period of time?

A clubs history is part of what makes a big club. (amuses me the short sightedness of some sets of supporters)
A clubs support, either week in week out at a stadium or a world wide following, is a great measure of a big club
A club that attracts the top names in the game at a given period of time is a big club
A club that is marked for various performances and styles as well as trophies is a big club
A club that has the financial power to compete with any club in the world in terms of player wages is a measure of a big club
God I could go on but i'm hoping the ounce of sense on this issue might prevail!

yawn! do you think that sunderland and middleboro suit the above criteria?

I have no desire to 'big' (lol) either of them up... or continue the never ending debate

[brad.strider]

yawn... lets go back to my earlier post about the big club debate... its never f***** ending so lets not go there. Please dont be so narrow minded to think that trophies are the only measure of a big football club, trophies as a measure of success perhaps. yes we'd all love them but there arent enough to go round. What also gives you the right to limit the period of time to assess a club over a given period of time?

A clubs history is part of what makes a big club. (amuses me the short sightedness of some sets of supporters)
A clubs support, either week in week out at a stadium or a world wide following, is a great measure of a big club
A club that attracts the top names in the game at a given period of time is a big club
A club that is marked for various performances and styles as well as trophies is a big club
A club that has the financial power to compete with any club in the world in terms of player wages is a measure of a big club
God I could go on but i'm hoping the ounce of sense on this issue might prevail!

yawn! do you think that sunderland and middleboro suit the above criteria?

I have no desire to 'big' (lol) either of them up... or continue the never ending debate

so we are all agreed then, middlesboro and sunderland are shite and martin oniell is a saint?