Why is the APAT payout structure so top heavy ?

[M3boy]

Why is ladder climbing not "proper poker"?

I never said ladder climbing wasnt proper poker, I have laddered a few tourneys in my time - where I have so few chips as to not stand a chance of winning.

I just think that when making a final table - winning it should be your main objective - but thats just me personally, not how I think everyone should play.

Whatever the APAT decide, there will ALWAYS be critisism, thats the way of the world.

[Bongo]

I was mainly referencing Ironside who did mention proper poker.

[Karabiner]

Personally I feel that many people like me were shocked and horrified when discovering the payout for the first APAT event.

Certainly I assumed that when Tikay became chairman of APA he brought all of the causes that he has been championing on this forum for the last couple of years(flatter payouts, player friendly blind-structures, etc.) to the table. So much so that I never even bothered to check them out.

[tikay]

Yes.

I think you're in a lose:lose situation too as whatever you do you'll just be in for criticism.

I guess it's a mark of how well the APA is percieved if people feel strongly about it's policies.

Well, no, not really. Sure the criticism will always exist, but I believe - sincerely - that we can improve the Tournament Players lot, so there is a "win" scenario. We got some things right, some things wrong, but it was, overall, not too bad for our first ever Event. And I don't think I've ever seen a 120 player Tourney where so many of those involved had such a fun time. The feedback suggests that, & it's immensely gratifying. We shall look at the things that we either did wrong, or have caused criticism.

[Bongo]

I think I phrased it badly tikay, I meant you'll get criticised whatever you do, not that you won't be able to actually improve things...

[Indestructable]

I have no problems with top heavy pay out as it makes the win worthwhile. It also reduces it being dragged out by players at the final table limping along to try to scrape another place.

However, this is probably not a good time for me to suggest a winner takes all tournament.

[Suited_Jock]

Never mind the payout structure when are the pictures getting posted on the website?

[Indestructable]

Especially of the dealer on table 1. 

[Ironside]

bongo

playing a final table is a skill in itself knowing when to pass a hand even with the odds in your favour to ensure a jump in the prize money but it makes for a very dull game to watch and play

with the same money for so many spots on the final table people were pushing when they had the odds or and edge which lead to and exciting game both to play (briefly) and watch more like playing in a cash game when calls and raises were made for poker reasons rather than ladder reasons

[Ironside]

btw did anyone see the 425 show where Mark became an honary scots while mathew became english?

[tikay]

Personally I feel that many people like me were shocked and horrified when discovering the payout for the first APAT event.

Certainly I assumed that when Tikay became chairman of APA he brought all of the causes that he has been championing on this forum for the last couple of years(flatter payouts, player friendly blind-structures, etc.) to the table. So much so that I never even bothered to check them out.

Thank you Ralph.

I think - so far as I know - that the Blind Structure - given the self-imposed "time-window" we had set ourself - (so folks could get home at a reasonable hour) was OK.

Flatter Prize Structures. My overall view has never changed, I am in the "flatter" camp. (stomach excepted). I tried something different here, for a particular reason & concept. I explained this in Post 8 on Page One of this thread, & on numerous occasions previously, in each case, not just saying what I had done, but explaining in detail how I reached my decision. I can see - now - how my well-intentioned attempt at something innovative has aroused much comment, but it was always so, & as I say, I explained to all & sundry "why". If I was wrong, so be it.

"tikay -...address all of the causes we have been championing in this Forum". Well, we tried & will continue to try, to address them all. Earlier start & finish times was one, we did it. Serious Added Value, another tick. Treat the players better, yup, we did, I think. Make the Final "special", Thomas Kremser style, yup. Consistency in Rulings, and a good & highly visible Rule Book, yup. We have hardlly begun, but I remain highly confident that the issues I have supported in this Forum will come to pass. And that includes, where appropriate, flatter payout structures.

I had, to be honest, assumed people would look at the wider picture, rather than focusing on the one thing which - maybe & arguably - was not to the taste of many, but there you go, nobody's been hurt.

I hope you are keeping well - are you doing the £300 Freeze at Walsall tomorrow?

[tikay]

btw did anyone see the 425 show where Mark became an honary scots while mathew became english?

Groan.....Yes, my fault - I mixed up two of the guys resulting in the 425 graphic being incorrect. My error, I apologise.

[tikay]

Never mind the payout structure when are the pictures getting posted on the website?

I'll chase them up. I've been offline since Tuesday.

[Karabiner]

I hope you are keeping well - are you doing the £300 Freeze at Walsall tomorrow?

No unfortunately not, but I will be playing the APAT online tourney.

I have not been trying to labour the point about the payouts in order to detract in any way from what was unquestionably a very succesful live debut for APAT. I am sure that you know that Tony, but I would just make it clear to any others who may not realise that I am very much in favour of APA and want it to grow on a solid foundation.

[tikay]

I hope you are keeping well - are you doing the £300 Freeze at Walsall tomorrow?

No unfortunately not, but I will be playing the APAT online tourney.

I have not been trying to labour the point about the payouts in order to detract in any way from what was unquestionably a very succesful live debut for APAT. I am sure that you know that Tony, but I would just make it clear to any others who may not realise that I am very much in favour of APA and want it to grow on a solid foundation.

Thank you Ralph, & that's accepted. My point was that I had explained what we had tried to do, & why, in great detail. But I accept, APAT has generated over 100 pages (that's 1,500 Posts) of debate already on this Forum alone, so much of what I explained has been lost in that mass of stuff.

Good Luck in the Online Tourney tomorrow. I can't do Walsall, I'm a little under the weather, but I know Julian & Tom are going.