Discuss - Use of Poker Tracker cheating or not ??

[Sark79]

I have never used any type of tracking tools. Well, I used a trial thingy for pokertracker, 30 hands or something like that.  When my Uncle visited Africa many years ago he met with a tracker and was given a leason.  Unfortunately the tips my Uncle passed onto me have had no success when I use them at the poker tables.  However I did track some footprints on the beach the other day successfully, they led into the sea and then disapeeared.  I believe I was tracking a sea monster or a person who enjoys swimming

[SupaMonkey]

A bit far fetched? maybe but perhaps I should get one of them to try this as an exercise just to see if it could be done.

I agree. There are companies out there who make concept viruses. It is only when people make these concept viruses (like the bluetooth mobile phone one) that other people take notice. They could write it, tell everyone (the press etc.), obviously say they had no intention of using it and make it open source so everyone can see how they did it. That would change things.

You may say that it's irresponsible to put something like that on the net but if it's possible then it's likely people have done (are doing) it.

ps. don't you think Kev's online performance has improved a lot recently  

[matt674]

ps. don't you think Kev's online performance has improved a lot recently  

I thought that was just down to the fact that he's in charge of the levers nowadays?

[tantrum]

I never used PT due to the fact that I am a mac user.  Reading this thread though, made me feel a bit paranoid.

Saying that though, the way to beat the PT is to change your game on the regular basis and to become highly unpredicable.

PT I assume, looks for betting patterns and so on, so changing gears, mixing your game will make it more difficult to read.

(I might wrong here, so you can correct me)

One of the methods used by some sites nowadays is to scan your own screen when their software is open (effectively they have the function to screenscrape you!)

How can i find out which site using this software?

Is there any software (for macs) that can prevent those computer terrorists getting to my computer?

Or perhaps I should just sitck to live cash games.

What about MTT and STT?

Surely one can spot PT/other software users if they play more then 5-6 tables at the same time.

[Harry Demetriou]

The problem is that should it succeed I might just be tempted to keep quiet about it all.

But we will know when you stop making statements like this........

I think there are a lot of fabulous young players around and I would be queing up to back them except that they are all probably better than me and making zillions already on the internet - haven't quite personally mastered winning consistently on the net yet:-(

Unless this is part of an elaborate bluff to cover up the fact that you already have the software

I have to be honest and say that I hardly ever play online as firstly I find it boring and secondly I spend too much time already on the net and much prefer live play and real person interaction. However I have had some limited success (STT's and tourneys) but overall I have lost in low limit cash games but most of my losses came about from my nephew logging in and doing dosh for me on various online accounts:-(((((

One thing I am certain of , however, is that I would NEVER play large cash games online (unless it was heads up and even then reluctantly) cannot believe ANYONE plays full ring Omaha games and would question the plays of some allegedly top class internet players who have won $$$$$$$$ as I have actually downloaded and read through tens of thousands of actual cash game hands played.

BTW Poker Tracker may be artificially useful as there are numerous players who share accounts with friends thereby mixing up styles to confuse such software and you can always change your online screen name periodically.

[matt674]

I have to be honest and say that I hardly ever play online as firstly I find it boring and secondly I spend too much time already on the net and much prefer live play and real person interaction. However I have had some limited success (STT's and tourneys) but overall I have lost in low limit cash games but most of my losses came about from my nephew logging in and doing dosh for me on various online accounts:-(((((

I too much prefer the live game, however as i work during the day i can only usually play in the evenings. The internet is so much more convenient because there is no travelling involved, no additional expenses and usually the tournaments are finished in a decent hour so i can get enough sleep to see me through the following day.

If you say it bores you then chances are you are never in the same frame of mind when you sit down in-front of your computer as you are when you sit down at the cardroom table. You are subconsciously telling yourself you would rather be somewhere else doing other things than playing online poker which will probably lead to you not playing your a-game.

One thing I am certain of , however, is that I would NEVER play large cash games online (unless it was heads up and even then reluctantly) cannot believe ANYONE plays full ring Omaha games and would question the plays of some allegedly top class internet players who have won $$$$$$$$ as I have actually downloaded and read through tens of thousands of actual cash game hands played.

I agree - to be honest though i don't play cash games full stop, especially on the internet as i believe its too easy for people to collude.

[boldie]

One thing I am certain of , however, is that I would NEVER play large cash games online (unless it was heads up and even then reluctantly) cannot believe ANYONE plays full ring Omaha games and would question the plays of some allegedly top class internet players who have won $$$$$$$$ as I have actually downloaded and read through tens of thousands of actual cash game hands played.

I agree - to be honest though i don't play cash games full stop, especially on the internet as i believe its too easy for people to collude.
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that's why I stopped (not just cus I'm a fish). MSN and all that good stuff makes it too easy for people to do. Although I would never consider cheating in a poker game (as I consider it just about the lowest thing you can do) I understand that some people don't have any scrupules when it comes to taking other people's money.
In an STT or HU game tyhe chances of that happening are a lot lot lower.

[matt674]

that's why I stopped (not just cus I'm a fish). MSN and all that good stuff makes it too easy for people to do. Although I would never consider cheating in a poker game (as I consider it just about the lowest thing you can do) I understand that some people don't have any scrupules when it comes to taking other people's money.
In an STT or HU game tyhe chances of that happening are a lot lot lower.

Heads up i agree with but there's just as likely that it could happen in an STT as a cash game. I play MTT's and i know that there is a likelyhood that it happens there as well but with the "random" seat draw and tables being broke and reformed at regular intervals then the opportunity for 2 players who are "in cahoots" for them to collude is less.

[boldie]

that's why I stopped (not just cus I'm a fish). MSN and all that good stuff makes it too easy for people to do. Although I would never consider cheating in a poker game (as I consider it just about the lowest thing you can do) I understand that some people don't have any scrupules when it comes to taking other people's money.
In an STT or HU game tyhe chances of that happening are a lot lot lower.

Heads up i agree with but there's just as likely that it could happen in an STT as a cash game. I play MTT's and i know that there is a likelyhood that it happens there as well but with the "random" seat draw and tables being broke and reformed at regular intervals then the opportunity for 2 players who are "in cahoots" for them to collude is less.

yeah I agree that it is possible in an STT, howveer the really colluding money is probably to be made in cash games and the high stakes stt's so I am OK with playing.

MTT's are indeed pretty safe IMO because, as you said tables break up a lot.

[matt674]

yeah I agree that it is possible in an STT, howveer the really colluding money is probably to be made in cash games and the high stakes stt's so I am OK with playing.

Oh i dont know - if you are going to forge money you'd be pretty silly to go out and print a nice new batch of £50's that are going to be under close scrutiny every time someone touches them when you can get away with a batch of £5's that hardly anyone bats an eyelid to............

Who knows how often it happens and where - the sites are hardly going to publish figures but like its been mentioned before in the thread you are only going to play somewhere that you feel comfortable with. Otherwise if your not you just have to find somewhere else, even if that means not playing online full stop and sticking to just live poker.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I never used PT due to the fact that I am a mac user.  Reading this thread though, made me feel a bit paranoid.

Saying that though, the way to beat the PT is to change your game on the regular basis and to become highly unpredicable.

PT I assume, looks for betting patterns and so on, so changing gears, mixing your game will make it more difficult to read.

(I might wrong here, so you can correct me)

You've missed the point about PT - it doesn't look for anything.  Its simply a database programme that stores data on the hands you play.  The user has to do all the analysis.

One of the methods used by some sites nowadays is to scan your own screen when their software is open (effectively they have the function to screenscrape you!)

How can i find out which site using this software?

Is there any software (for macs) that can prevent those computer terrorists getting to my computer?

Or perhaps I should just sitck to live cash games.

What about MTT and STT?

Surely one can spot PT/other software users if they play more then 5-6 tables at the same time.

'Those computer terrorists' are the sites themselves.  Don't download their software if you don't want them scanning your machine.

Sheriff

[TightEnd]

which sites still allow PT to be used for datamining purposes?


I asked on Pg 1, don't believe I got an answer,

thanx

[AndrewT]

which sites still allow PT to be used for datamining purposes?


I asked on Pg 1, don't believe I got an answer,

thanx

I searched over at the PT forum but couldn't find a definitive list, so I didn't reply.

The one I was explictly thinking of was Party.

[thetank]

Someone has alluded that it is possible on FullTilt

[AndrewT]

Someone has alluded that it is possible on FullTilt

I've certainly seen people post HH of the big Omaha games on Full Tilt over at 2+2, games in which they were not playing.