serious answers please (poker winners)(and losers)

[amcgrath1uk]

Overall I know I'm up.

Started playing online last December, with some outstanding beginner's luck won my 1st mtt within a week, and had 10 final tables in my 1st 3 weeks. was up prob $600-700 in that time. From then till August, had the occasional victory but nothing too seriously good. Prob lost in the region of $100-150 a month in that time.

Started to play more thoughtfully and seriously in August, in which I had some time off.. and after 2 weeks of playing 2/3/4 table games learnt quite a lot about myself. Since then I'm up just over $1k, which considering most of the time the most I spend on an mtt is $12 ( with VERY occasional $25) I think is fairly decent.

Offline, I only started playing in August, played 5 times and placed 3, inc 3rd my 1st ever time ( tho in last 3 vs hubby n wife combo)

[Woodsey]

I'm happy to divulge my approx results

Ok I haven't worked it out exactly £ per week but since Jan (how many weeks 40ish?) my results are

Online MTT   $59,500
Online STT   $8,000
Online Cash   $-32,000 (embarrassing!!!)
Live MTT      $40,500
Live cash      $600

Overall         $76,000 approx

So whilst this is in $$$ not £££ its in that sort of ball park

[turny]

I'm happy to divulge my approx results

Ok I haven't worked it out exactly £ per week but since Jan (how many weeks 40ish?) my results are

Online MTT   $59,500
Online STT   $8,000
Online Cash   $-32,000 (embarrassing!!!)
Live MTT      $40,500
Live cash      $600

Overall         $76,000 approx

So whilst this is in $$$ not £££ its in that sort of ball park

nice one woodsey and thanks for divulging 


just a little advice in case you cant spot the weakness, stay off the online cash tables lol 

[Woodsey]

I know its embarrasing. Just to clarify that a bit further, I'm up on the 2/4 and 3/6nl games I ocassionally play the problem occurs after a substantial tourney win when I leave the money in the accounts and come back pissed from the pub and decided its a good idea to play 25/50nl. I can pinpoint 3 drunken sessions over which I lost $25k!!!

I know your thinking fecking hell what an idiot, just think how I felt!!!!l

Siiiiiiiiiiccccccckkkkkk

[turny]

I know its embarrasing. Just to clarify that a bit further, I'm up on the 2/4 and 3/6nl games I ocassionally play the problem occurs after a substantial tourney win when I leave the money in the accounts and come back pissed from the pub and decided its a good idea to play 25/50nl. I can pinpoint 3 drunken sessions over which I lost $25k!!!

I know your thinking fecking hell what an idiot, just think how I felt!!!!l

Siiiiiiiiiiccccccckkkkkk

ouch!!!

always seems to happen to most players i know after a nice mtt win you never seem to win at cash although yours seems to be more alcohol enduced loses 

again thanks woodsey for the figures and good luck in future drunken cash games ul need it ! 

[robyong]

I use the following system to play online cash. I am a winning player consistantly and am 100% sure that any player can also be if they have the discipline. An average month would be $35,000 profit.
1. Only play one game on 1 site to maximise my information(NL hold'em in my case)
2. I play 4-8 tables, to avoid playing too many hands from £10-20 to £40-80 6 or 10 handed
3. I use Poker Tracker to review key stats such as % calls (bad) and £variance V players
4. I play 18 hours per week on average (ideally 6 x 3 hour sessions)
5. I play weekends and 11pm - 2am weekdays
6. I always sit down with at least 60BB
7. I will never risk > 5% of my bankroll on any table
8. I will not play on a table where there are not at least 2 fish
9. I will be careful what position I sit (want to have position on callings stations, and the opposite V aggressive players)
10. I will rarely call any bet on any street, raise or pass

For example, if you have a bankroll of 6,000, the maximum pull up per table is £300. Therefore, the biggest table you can play is £2-5 (ie. 60bb). 
If you lose £1,000, your maximum pull up is £250, and the biggest table you can play is £1-2.
To move up from £2-5 to £5-10, you would have to pull up a min of £600 and have increased your bankroll to £12,000.

This would mean that to play the £40-£80 NL on Crypto, every good player should have a minimum online ONLY (not used for any other expenditure) bankroll of £96,000 and be pulling up a max of £4,800. An average player may need nearer £200,000 just to breakeven in my view.

Everytime I get clever and deviate from this SYSTEM my swings get too big and I am just gambling.

Hope this helps. Rob

[ifm]

I use the following system to play online cash. I am a winning player consistantly and am 100% sure that any player can also be if they have the discipline. An average month would be $35,000 profit.
1. Only play one game on 1 site to maximise my information(NL hold'em in my case)
2. I play 4-8 tables, to avoid playing too many hands from £10-20 to £40-80 6 or 10 handed
3. I use Poker Tracker to review key stats such as % calls (bad) and £variance V players
4. I play 18 hours per week on average (ideally 6 x 3 hour sessions)
5. I play weekends and 11pm - 2am weekdays
6. I always sit down with at least 60BB
7. I will never risk > 5% of my bankroll on any table
8. I will not play on a table where there are not at least 2 fish
9. I will be careful what position I sit (want to have position on callings stations, and the opposite V aggressive players)
10. I will rarely call any bet on any street, raise or pass

For example, if you have a bankroll of 6,000, the maximum pull up per table is £300. Therefore, the biggest table you can play is £2-5 (ie. 60bb). 
If you lose £1,000, your maximum pull up is £250, and the biggest table you can play is £1-2.
To move up from £2-5 to £5-10, you would have to pull up a min of £600 and have increased your bankroll to £12,000.

This would mean that to play the £40-£80 NL on Crypto, every good player should have a minimum online ONLY (not used for any other expenditure) bankroll of £96,000 and be pulling up a max of £4,800. An average player may need nearer £200,000 just to breakeven in my view.

Everytime I get clever and deviate from this SYSTEM my swings get too big and I am just gambling.

Hope this helps. Rob

Cheers, i'm gonna save that.

[neeko]

I have answered - i think I'm behind

I am not actually sure as i dont keep acurate notes and I am not that interested.

i know at one point I was had reached $4k as a bank roll, (from MTT wins) I would guess that this was maybe $2.5k up. I then went on a "I am a Poker God"  (to misquote Richard Hammond (v happy he is well)) trip and played lots of $50 Poker stars 8pm MTT's, way too many $100 Blue Square $3.5k gteed's and generally burnt it down to not a lot fairly quickly.

As I coasted to flame out i quit the big games, and just wasted a few buyins (or maybe more) to PS, FT or Blonde on buyins for my fav MTT's, the PS $30 deep stacks, or any league event (BP, or THM).

Currently i am playing cash PLO, I know that it doubles the variance but i am doing well and feeling good, Mtt's are breaking even at the moment, but I am confident.

I play for fun so i dont play to bank roll rules, while i am up I will chase the limit I am at, its -ve value but I have the disipline to not buyin to these higher limits, just to ride the wave while i am here.

I aim to cash out shortly to buy a 19 inch widescreen dell laptop, and then revert to the $10 & $20 stt's I am used to.

There is a great thread on 2+2 about a guy who goes from to $400 to $70k and back to the floor (it is assumed or somewhere near) he kept his roll going to play with the "stars". I will not go anywhere near that, but I am up to $2k and will edge up further before cashing out.

Winning is good but i have no issusions about my ability, I am going to keep to the small limit Mtt's (otherewise way too much variance), STT's at a level i can win at, and cash PLO,  that the other two allow me to play.  I am terrible at playing cash with "my own money" (as i play scared) so playing with winnings is much easier - it does not feel like mine if i lose.

[edit - any money i do pay with {lose} does not affect the way i live, it is extra]

[Karabiner]

How come there is no "eeking out a living putting in 80+ hours a week which feels better than working" option ?

That would have got my vote 

I'm guessing you don't multitable?

Correct, no more than two tables and usually one, and the hours do vary from about 30 to 80 p/w.

[M3boy]

Woodesy?

Wanna go for a beer any time ?!?  lol

Seriously m8, great results!!

[Woodsey]

Woodesy?

Wanna go for a beer any time ?!?  lol

Seriously m8, great results!!

I'm scared you might get me pissed and then ask me to play high stakes cash with you!!!

[Karabiner]

How come there is no "eeking out a living putting in 80+ hours a week which feels better than working" option ?

That would have got my vote 

are you eeking out a living putting in 80+ hours a week Ralph ?

Well 80+ hours may well be an exaggeration, and if I'm honest I have had trouble making ends meet this year although I am well up and a fairly consistent winner in the long term online. My overheads have been hard to sustain due to my expensive taste and hedonistic tendencies.

[turny]

wow upto 14.4% now we either have some seriously clever guys on here or some real dreamers

the £1000+ per week gang
so far we have woodsey, rob yong and pab so whose the others?

[matt674]

wow upto 14.4% now we either have some seriously clever guys on here or some real dreamers

the £1000+ per week gang
so far we have woodsey, rob yong and pab so whose the others?

Although not at the moment as bankroll restrictions mean i am not playing at the levels where i can currently continue to win as much as i have in the past overall in the past 3 years i have made enough profit to warrant me choosing that option. ended up +$86000 for 2004, +$64000 for 2005 but currently down -$5000 for 2006 (not including the 2x$13000 WSOP packages)

Maybe i missed the post earlier defining the meanings of the options in the poll but doesnt the option just say "i'm winning lots" it doesnt mention specific amount. To somebody who doesnt play that regularly and only at small levels then "lots" may well only be $100 here and there. Rather than give specific amounts in a monetary sense wouldnt it be better if this figure is a percentage of your bankroll or usual buy-in of tournament/cash game?

Therefore if you've increased your bankroll by 300-500% then you are winning lots
If you've increased your bankroll by 100-300% then you are winning
If you've increased your bankroll by 1-100% then you are infront
If you've lost upto your initial bankroll then you are slighlty behind
If you've lost upto 3 times your initial bankroll then you are behind
If you've lost more than 3 times your initial bankroll then you can never win

This way at least all the options offered in the poll can relate to everyone no matter how small stakes or how regularly you play.

[ifm]

wow upto 14.4% now we either have some seriously clever guys on here or some real dreamers

the £1000+ per week gang
so far we have woodsey, rob yong and pab so whose the others?

You are looking at it all wrong, it is 13 out of 3884 members and actually 13 out of those willing to vote at all.
I do not find it difficult to believe that 13 people can make that sort of money, i could probably name 10 immediately.