Midland Masters

[M3boy]

Dani, PM sent m8

[ifm]

Obviously tournament structures should be within the remit of the amateur poker association to lodge complaints to casinos on behalf of the membership. Would you think instances like the casinos failure to act against abusive individuals should be a matter for the APA as well?  

The trouble with that is they have no durastiction whatsoever with casinos, this relates to the question myself and Dik were trying to get answered on the apat thread.
Richard, i was referring to that comp, the manager editted the structure as people on here asked for them, my point was that he did it because he wasn't full, maybe he wouldn't if it were?
Though i'd like to think he is willing to do this for his punters.

Juristiction is largely measured in commercial terms by the large casino groups.  When the APA is in a position to fill their cardrooms week after week then you will find that we will have a significant influence in the way players are treated and in the quality of games they play. 

However, the APA will never acquire that power while players wait on the sidelines for something 'notable' to be achieved.  Until the players get fully behind the Association, its ability to influence the industry will be marginalised and nothing notable can be achieved. 

I know some of you are uncomfortable with the amount of focus we are putting on the Tour, but in the short term, while we organise and grow, this is one area where the APA can demonstrate a vision for the industry under a strong and united Association.  Great venues and structures, serious added value and publicity, and players getting the opportunity to enjoy a premium experience with low financial risk.

If we can prove ourselves commercially to the major casino groups, then local and regional tournaments will become a reality and at that point we will be in a position to enter legislative discussion in an authorative way.  I'm afraid stomping up and down outside the venue is simply not an option.  You will simply get banned.  When we have 20,000 members, a stomp might become a great deal more meaningful.

If you identify with the concerns highlighted in Tom and Paul's posts; and are still not a member of the APA, I would ask you to genuinely consider your reasons. 

Please bear in mind that the commercial company behind APAT have NOT sold 1 advert or struck 1 affiliate deal since launch in August.  That is despite having had over 100,000 visits to apat.com and having had plenty of offers to mail stuff to our members.  We have not spent one penny unwisely and everyone involved has invested a great deal emotionally and in many other ways. 

Perhaps the £5 / £10 membership fee is a barrier?  If this was not the only source of funding that the APA has, I would recommend to the management team that it be abolished in the morning. 

Regards,

Des.

Mate, i refuse to go into all the things wrong in this post, i can only hope that when you're sober you will come back and correct this.

[DesD]

Obviously tournament structures should be within the remit of the amateur poker association to lodge complaints to casinos on behalf of the membership. Would you think instances like the casinos failure to act against abusive individuals should be a matter for the APA as well?  

The trouble with that is they have no durastiction whatsoever with casinos, this relates to the question myself and Dik were trying to get answered on the apat thread.
Richard, i was referring to that comp, the manager editted the structure as people on here asked for them, my point was that he did it because he wasn't full, maybe he wouldn't if it were?
Though i'd like to think he is willing to do this for his punters.

Juristiction is largely measured in commercial terms by the large casino groups.  When the APA is in a position to fill their cardrooms week after week then you will find that we will have a significant influence in the way players are treated and in the quality of games they play. 

However, the APA will never acquire that power while players wait on the sidelines for something 'notable' to be achieved.  Until the players get fully behind the Association, its ability to influence the industry will be marginalised and nothing notable can be achieved. 

I know some of you are uncomfortable with the amount of focus we are putting on the Tour, but in the short term, while we organise and grow, this is one area where the APA can demonstrate a vision for the industry under a strong and united Association.  Great venues and structures, serious added value and publicity, and players getting the opportunity to enjoy a premium experience with low financial risk.

If we can prove ourselves commercially to the major casino groups, then local and regional tournaments will become a reality and at that point we will be in a position to enter legislative discussion in an authorative way.  I'm afraid stomping up and down outside the venue is simply not an option.  You will simply get banned.  When we have 20,000 members, a stomp might become a great deal more meaningful.

If you identify with the concerns highlighted in Tom and Paul's posts; and are still not a member of the APA, I would ask you to genuinely consider your reasons. 

Please bear in mind that the commercial company behind APAT have NOT sold 1 advert or struck 1 affiliate deal since launch in August.  That is despite having had over 100,000 visits to apat.com and having had plenty of offers to mail stuff to our members.  We have not spent one penny unwisely and everyone involved has invested a great deal emotionally and in many other ways. 

Perhaps the £5 / £10 membership fee is a barrier?  If this was not the only source of funding that the APA has, I would recommend to the management team that it be abolished in the morning. 

Regards,

Des.

Mate, i refuse to go into all the things wrong in this post, i can only hope that when you're sober you will come back and correct this.

I'm plenty sober Ian, I can assure you.

[RED-DOG]

Me fred's bin ijacked!

[dik9]

OMG!!!

gonna be a long night, me thinks

[dik9]

First Query

When the APA is in a position to fill their cardrooms week after week then you will find that we will have a significant influence in the way players are treated and in the quality of games they play. 

WTF??? You have your own cardrooms? Or are these APAT Endorsed cardrooms you are on about? Have you any APAT Endorsed cardrooms? How do they become endorsed?

As you are reading this DesD can we go through each point individually please?

[DesD]

First Query



WTF??? You have your own cardrooms? Or are these APAT Endorsed cardrooms you are on about? Have you any APAT Endorsed cardrooms? How do they become endorsed?

fill their cardrooms

[dik9]

How does APAT intend to do this week after week?

[dik9]

Can we take this to a new thread or even continue on the thread i asked questions on 3 weeks ago?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=16631.0

[DesD]

First Query

When the APA is in a position to fill their cardrooms week after week then you will find that we will have a significant influence in the way players are treated and in the quality of games they play. 

As you are reading this DesD can we go through each point individually please?

Richard,

There is no point in my going through this with you point by point for your late night amusement.   I'm clearly not going to convince you about our intentions and I have to accept that.

I have invited you to come and discuss the Association with Tony and I on a number of occasions, and you have declined thus far.  If you find time in your diary, then let me know and I will be happy to discuss the APA strategy in more detail.

Regards,

Des.

[DesD]

Me fred's bin ijacked!

Sorry Tom....t'was not my intention 

[dik9]

I am extremely disappointed that you think this is for my amusement, I am not a forum Troll, I am genuinely concerned about the direction you are going with this and the hoodwink of an association, I have explained why i cannot come to London to Discuss this with you, and feel that the discussion should be available to everyone, as it affects the majority of users that post here. Why cant it be in the open?

[dik9]

Me fred's bin ijacked!

Sorry Tom....t'was not my intention 

Sorry Tom nor mine

[DesD]

hoodwink of an association

Comments like the above is why Richard. 

As I said previously, you have made up your mind and communicated your opinion of APAT on several UK forums throughout the last few months. 

I appreciate that Tony needs to respond back on the above thread, and I'm sure he will, but I do not think there is anything he or I, or anyone connected with APAT will say that will convince you that we are aiming for the same positive outcomes in the game as you are.

Unfortunately it will take scale to achieve some of those goals, and that takes time.

Regards,

Des.

[dik9]

hoodwink of an association

Comments like the above is why Richard. 

As I said previously, you have made up your mind and communicated your opinion of APAT on several UK forums throughout the last few months. 

I appreciate that Tony needs to respond back on the above thread, and I'm sure he will, but I do not think there is anything he or I, or anyone connected with APAT will say that will convince you that we are aiming for the same positive outcomes in the game as you are.

Unfortunately it will take scale to achieve some of those goals, and that takes time.

Regards,

Des.

All I want is to be proved wrong Des, but not getting any assurance?

As for the uk forums that I comment on, I think you will find that I have been informing people about it, not in a negative way either, so please dont try and make me out to be an arse!!!

The redeeming feature that APAT has got going for it, is the fact that when it comes to poker Tony and Richard are respected by myself and most of the poker community, however, you sir are a businessman and IMO have joined a poker bandwagon at one of the most crucial points needed by the industry.