The dollar...?

[thetank]

While I don't accept the premise of discrediting the beeb coz the army said so. At least I understood your point

15 minutes finds this, from sources like the BBC & CNN, as well as the EEC report on the election.

Yeah in less than 1 min you can generate links for >>>1000 9/11 conspiracy theories as well ergo they all must be true.

Also <1min search will find you 1000s of links for shemale porn, random poker websites, cheap prescription drugs, a list of curse words in all languages, and other clearly credible items of interest.

Here I'm still miles off track.

The BBC are not credible because there is some tat on the internet?

Can you clarify?

[ifm]

BBC doesn't lend particular credibilty to much either in that Your OWN (UK) Generals and Admirals reffered to them as the Bagdad Broadcasting Corporation during the last invasion for the deceptive and disengenious attempts to portray anything even resembling a a balanced reporting approach.

IMO they are the only news organisation with any established reputation of unbiased credibility, and lack of political motivations. There will always be those who don't like what they hear and slam them for it.

Be these our "OWN (UK) Generals and Admirals" having a pop at the beeb would not surprise me. What possible motivation would they have for discrediting news organisations reporting from the region. What kind of historical reputation does the UK military have for journalistic ethics? (Quite the opposite)

It's like saying the video tape is lying because the guy in the dock said so.

I think just about everyone except the beeb agreed they were a little biased during the Iraq war.

[ifm]

Having said that i may be wrong, maybe i just heard the negatives at the time :S

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/newsevents/5309.html

[Rod Paradise]

Also, please review your initial post and tell me whether or not it smells of a condescending anti-American tone?

Not the daftest conspiracy theory, add to it the American agitation (including a US sponsored coup) over Chavez in Venezuela - he's already threatened to move to the Euro.

That's not condescending.

Are you sure you know what the word means? (THAT'S condescending).

I think you'll find it's an additional comment to the theory that the US will move to protect their economy using gunship diplomacy if too many oil producers propose adopting the Euro instead of the dollar.

Getting a grip on what has been said instead of ranting on attacking people for what you THINK they said may mean you make more sense.

If you want to continue this you'd better cite your acceptable sources (Fox News & the White House?). No point in it until you do as the BBC/CNN & The EEC are not acceptable references (altogether infinitely more than you have so far managed).

OK I see you have little interest in an informed debate. You have not and will not address any specific point I make. You accuse me of being insulting and then just babble on about your astounding proof. Did you even read your own links? WTF do they prove or disprove? WTF kind of evidence are they supposed to be?

In a debate where you have posted sweet fcuk all in evidence, this comment is just evidence of a lack of any kind of understanding of DEBATE.

Also, as for ranting/attacking, THAT IS CONDESCENDING BS. You put up several clearly anti-American one sentence statements and then give me the "oh no! Oh shock! he's overreacting!" routine when you know damn well what the overall tone and connotation of your message is. If you don't, then oops, my bad, for you giving you a certain intellectual credit (THERE! THAT"S AN EFFN INSULT).

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Read your comment at the top. Please review my initial post and find my several anti-American sentences. It's one sentence. I did post a second post before the redneck rant - but I doubt there were several sentences in it (your test is to count them), there also wasn't an incorrect fact in them.
Yes there was anti-American policy in them, it was there, but in a typical American overreaction you took that as evidence of WMD and went into full assault
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Just because this site/forum exists in a UK centric vacuum does not mean it's acceptable to often deride an entire group and not realize that it is wrong and bordering on bigoted just because very few from that group will see the remarks. Would you find it acceptable if a group of entirely white people started chattin it up about how all the black/Asian/Oriental/Hispanic/e.t.c were all X, Y, Z with X, Y, and Z expressed in the most condescending and ridiculing way? Probably not! Well guess what? It's not acceptable to refer to Americans in the same way.

Whoo-hoo an American complaining about bordering on bigotry. I made 2 posts criticising American policy and interference in other nations.... sorry that hurt your feelings, but that's not bigotry, because thankfully not all Americans agree with it.
If you really believe that then I'm sorry, I'm sorry for you as well, but I never want anyone to feel victimised for their race. II don't hate Americans, I hate the nation's 'lebensraum' type policies.

Oh! And before 16 posters tell me I'm being oversensitive or overreacting, there is a vast difference from the occasional Yank joke, to the type of thinly veiled anti-American vitriol which always surfaces in any political thread on this forum. (Usually in the form of some wild arsed conspiracy theory with with at least several backup posters chiming in with "Oh Yeah! Another reason those Yanks are evil" type responses)

In Summary, I am fully capable of conducting a reasoned, logical, and NONrant debate. But a "debate" requires an exchange of positions and ideas. What's the debate with you? You put forth a bizarro theory that USA/Venezuela "gunship" policy is a major player in $ exchange rates. I reply to your "evidence" which proves or disproves nothing, and you try and redirect the debate to nothingness.

You have singularly failed to engage in debate, and have only asked for evidence in a complete absence of any of your own. I have not been insulting (in fact I've done none of what you accuse me of). I posted a comment about Chavez, followed by a fact about the US supplier of instructional software to the military selling a game about invading Venezuela. since then you have proved an American propensity for reading anything that backs their case into anything they want, an inability to read what was said & a pathetic grasp on what debate is.

My impression of this exchange has been

RodParadise: Let's throw a random anti-yank conspiracy theory onto the fire in one sentence

Madyank: Yo Beeeetchs (3 named not just you)  chill TF out with the random anti-yankness!

Other 2 posters: Joke semi recognition of my request

RodParadise: I have the "Ark of The Covenant  smoking Gun EVidence" right here in the form of 4 links to boring barely related stuff

MadYank: DOOOOOD This Not Be Evidence and instead of slagging Yanks why not for once give a constuctive alternative to what you dislike.

Others: Humor with some points

RodParadise: You insult me (HAHA while I'm going to insult you HAHA aren't I clever?)

MadYank: DOOOOD makes some EFFFN sense and actually answer a question!

  Grow some integrity, construct an arguemet & come back to me - I'm trying to stay civil, but you've been pathetic & quite probably delusional, if you think you've done anything but flame and ridicule without providing any evidence beyone your own opinion, then I really feel sorry for you.

[bobby1]

So should I hold on to the dollars then??

[Acidmouse]

This reminds me of a gaming forum I used to be a member off around the start of the latest gulf war.

The forum was pretty much full of North American's, lots of threads on the war and bullshit about the war on terror, yadda yadda.

Anyone who dared ask questions about the true motives on the invasion was basically called an anti-American liberal etc etc.

Virtually everything I suspected then and outlined to our dear friends from across the pond has come true (not difficult i know).

I don't blame them for abusing those that asked questions, as the propaganda coming out in America at the time(i was living there just after 9/11) made everyone on edge and looking for scapegoat to nuke. You felt like if you spoke out against the invasion you were somehow not a true American and endorsing terrorism acts.

How times have changed, now as the body count continually increases and their is no measurable end to this the Americans are starting to ask those questions that should have been asked from the start, they see Bush for what he is.

No offense to MadYank but there is no debate anymore, especially on a Euro dominated forum. It would be like trying to persuade us that fox news aint biased, in-con-see-va-ble.

[thetank]

Having said that i may be wrong, maybe i just heard the negatives at the time :S

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/newsevents/5309.html

Intersting link, cheers

[thetank]

We need to get Rod and MadYank off for a pint together at some point.

(and then the rest of us can all go to the pub across the road and leave them to it)

[Rod Paradise]

We need to get Rod and MadYank off for a pint together at some point.

(and then the rest of us can all go to the pub across the road and leave them to it)

You're probably right. It's far more difficult to get your point across when you are typing replies and reading the worst into anything anyone says.

As it stands though this argument is very un-blonde and while I think that MadYank is being very oversensitive to call the anti-american comments as approaching bigotry, he has a point if he feels that as he is in a minority as a Yank, if not in being Mad.

I'm not stepping down from  the argument & again offer to take it off blonde (either onto PM or onto a temp board the 2 of us can go at it on), but I can't be getting into this kind of heated debate when it's my job as a mod to try calm things. I should walk away from the argument, but won't, so I think I should step down as a Mod (which removes the restraints I put on my replies), and get on with it.

It's probably for the best as the other Mods do/achieve a lot more than I do. Maybe they can appoint a female Mod as a replacement?

[TightEnd]

Rubbish Rod. 

Go and look at some old Celtic videos, get a good nights sleep and resume in the morning!

[ifm]

But if you drop the restraints you'll get banned for flaming

[TightEnd]

But if you drop the restraints you'll get banned for flaming

and whats worse Rod, I'll get ifmflushy to write the official warning!

So let that be as good a warning as any!

[Rod Paradise]

But if you drop the restraints you'll get banned for flaming

I know, which is why I'm happy to take it off the board. I'll create another so the   eaters can watch if need be.

[ifm]

But if you drop the restraints you'll get banned for flaming

and whats worse Rod, I'll get ifmflushy to write the official warning!

So let that be as good a warning as any!

I was about to bring that up next........

p.s. stop sending me virus ridden hardcore gay porn

[TightEnd]

But if you drop the restraints you'll get banned for flaming

and whats worse Rod, I'll get ifmflushy to write the official warning!

So let that be as good a warning as any!

I was about to bring that up next........

p.s. stop sending me virus ridden hardcore gay porn

its nothing personal, I'm sending everyone virus ridden stuff and am struggling to rid my MSN of this virus. No idea what it was though as I hadn't opened the link myself!