online and live

[Pab]

I really hate live cash for so many reasons, for started its always full ring, 9 or 10 handed, yuk. You can only play 1 table, nightmare, THe speed, sooooo slow

I think my tournament style is more suited to live games now however as everyone seems willing to call online, preflop and postflop. ONe of the reasons im almost exclusively playing cash online these days

[KingPoker]

I agree with you on the slowness pab but i think live games are so much looser than online. As i tried to point out they tend to be the old school crew who love the BJ and roulette, and love the gambling side of poker rather than the statistical side.

[Pab]

I think online tournaments have become more and more of a lottery as new players get good at them quicker, fields are increasing taking away the edge of the better players and bumping up variance.

The bad players are emphaised even more when the stacks are deep like in cash games and I reckon where the money is to be made online atm. Me and JP spoke about this quite a lot on the Ept dortmund trip as we both have had good success in online tournaments yet we are both playing cash these days.

One of the main things for me was allowing me to have a far more active social life as im not a slave to the online mtt schedule anymore

[Ironside]

if your struggling to get your game in gear go back to basics play a 1/2 cent game where you should be easy able to beat it

and when you think your game is winning move up 1 stage at a time untill you get to the level your game shuld be at

i havent played much poker in the last few months because i wasnt enjoying it

but have recently start back but at the 1/2 cent level on blonde cant make a fourture but if you have losing sessions here then you know there is a flaw in your game

[bobby1]

I think online tournaments have become more and more of a lottery as new players get good at them quicker, fields are increasing taking away the edge of the better players and bumping up variance.

The bad players are emphaised even more when the stacks are deep like in cash games and I reckon where the money is to be made online atm. Me and JP spoke about this quite a lot on the Ept dortmund trip as we both have had good success in online tournaments yet we are both playing cash these days.

One of the main things for me was allowing me to have a far more active social life as im not a slave to the online mtt schedule anymore

Spot on,for me cash games are the way forward online for the exact reasons you highlight.

[Pab]

The rapidly decreasing edge for good players in tournaments was outlined in a excellent article on pocket 5's that I would recommend people read. Cant link it on here, It may still be on the homepage, if not you should come across it pretty easily using the search function, the author was crazy cypriot.

[KingPoker]

Just a quick question for you pab, you mention online mtts, online cash and live cash but what about live mtt;s. I know you have qualified online for numerous big live events but what about the casino mtts or festivals. Would you still consider yourself to have an edge on these?

[byronkincaid]

jeez, I was thinking that the cash games are getting tough but there's still a large amount of fish playing MTTs. If tourneys are getting tough wtf's left. HU I suppose.

[Longy]

In my experience online play is of better standard than live play generally, they are in some ways different skill sets. Correct if im wrong sofa king but you are quite loose aggressive player, people online are more prepared to call you from their own living room than they might be in front of a whole table of poker players due to the ego/ embarrassment factor of showing down a weak hand, but often winning hand.

I don't play much live cash but when i have the standard is unbelievably bad compared to online limit, you watch $2/4 game on the internet full ring and at most you will see on average 3 players seeing every flop. Live the world and his wife are in a raised pot with rags.

[Pab]

I wouldnt like to say tbh, I have a few decent live scores but am pretty inexperienced when it comes to live poker. I probably give off a boat load of tells that im not aware of, lol.

Most live multi's have bad structures, thats a fact, and a good players edge is reduced when the stacks are very shallow. IN the big buy in comps tho, with 10k chips and 1hr min clock, I think the good players have a pretty big edge. Once again tho, the nature of tournaments mean  that at some point you are gonna need to win races, and that is jst plain luck, nothing else. However the majority of the tournament, from say 300 players down to 30 allows for players to play post flop when good players really press home their superioty IMO.

[Pab]

jeez, I was thinking that the cash games are getting tough but there's still a large amount of fish playing MTTs. If tourneys are getting tough wtf's left. HU I suppose.

Am i right in thinking you play exclusively on crypto byron? If so i think the games there, 5/10nl and 10/20nl are the most solid I have come across. The player pool seems very small for those games, and I was playing the same guys all the time, most of which were very good, and we just passed money amongst ourselves (not intentionally obv)

For this reason I try and keep the necessary bankroll on 4 differnet sites to play the stakes that I want, so my game selection is pretty good.

[byronkincaid]

jeez, I was thinking that the cash games are getting tough but there's still a large amount of fish playing MTTs. If tourneys are getting tough wtf's left. HU I suppose.

Am i right in thinking you play exclusively on crypto byron? If so i think the games there, 5/10nl and 10/20nl are the most solid I have come across. The player pool seems very small for those games, and I was playing the same guys all the time, most of which were very good, and we just passed money amongst ourselves (not intentionally obv)

For this reason I try and keep the necessary bankroll on 4 differnet sites to play the stakes that I want, so my game selection is pretty good.

Yeah I don't play that high yet but I'm glad you think the players are good cos a lot of them come down to 2/5 on occasion and I've been going through a few hands on PT including some of yours  I think I'm just starting to get the idea. My post flop play was abysmal up until last week really and I've obv still got a long way to go.

[M3boy]

I am winning at both but I have put a hell of alot of effort into my cash game play lately.

[RED-DOG]

I think online tournaments have become more and more of a lottery as new players get good at them quicker, fields are increasing taking away the edge of the better players and bumping up variance.

The bad players are emphaised even more when the stacks are deep like in cash games and I reckon where the money is to be made online atm. Me and JP spoke about this quite a lot on the Ept dortmund trip as we both have had good success in online tournaments yet we are both playing cash these days.

One of the main things for me was allowing me to have a far more active social life as im not a slave to the online mtt schedule anymore

This is pretty amazing Pab, after playing exclusively tournaments for over two years, I came to the same conclusion about a month ago.

Online cash is new territory for me, but full ring seems to suit my style. Like you, I have found one of the nicest things about cash games is the ability to just stop playing when I want to

[Horneris]

How come Annette_15 wins every MTT she plays then?

I dont understand.