carzy new rule at grosvenor

[phatomch]

If someone is going all-in for a re raise that is smaller than the previous raise it is classed just as a call.

If the play is heads up players may under raise without being all-in

[Ironside]

my understanding would of been its classed as an underraise but any action following would be that as if it was a call


ie any person who hasnt acted on the last raise can still raise but the orginal raisers or anyone who had all ready called the orginal raise could only call

[phatomch]

correct

[ACE2M]

so the guy after the guy who had gone all in with an under raise can still raise but could raise for example another £2 then allowing the original raisor to raise again?

[UpTheMariners]

its like that in the pot limit games at naps. say a guy raises to 1500 and you have 2000. you have to just call the 1500 and put the 500 in on a later street!!!

[UKPL-Boydy]

I play at the grosvenor stoke, very regulary and im not sure whether this was the cash game or the tornament you played in, but either way if someone raises and you dont have enough to make a re-raise, then your all in.

I reckon this would of been the cash game and tbh it does get a little manic there, but if your all in and its an under-raise, then any action after that would have to be double the initial raise and so on and so forth etc...

[AgentChip109]

this stupid rule is ridiculous and ive had to follow it before. one time when blinds were 2000/4000 i only had 7900 and had AA and wasnt allowed to go all in cos it was classed as an underaise. i was only allowed to call which allowed some other limpers. was a load of bollox

till the flop came A 5 5

[portfolio]

Stoke Grosvenor, honestly i just laughed but the girl said those were her orders.

utter;y berserk.

and i thought things could only get better once his lordship left......

sigh...

[Lordandmaster]

Can you tell me when this happenened?

[matt674]

and here's me thinking this was a thread about the implementation of a new toilet regime at the casino chain..........

[tikay]

This is NOT a new rule at Grosvenor - it was just a mistake. These things happen.

I have no inside knowledge on this, & am not party to any info that anyone else is not, but common-sense suggests, strongly, that it was just human error.

Let he who is without sin......

[ACE2M]

Can you tell me when this happenened?

it was monday night in the cash game. i assume it was a mistake but they were they exact circumstaances as describe earlier in this thread.

[UKPL-Boydy]

Appears that you were on the wrong end of the mistake. At the end of the day, if you disagree with a call from the dealer, call the floor man, they are all sound enough there and will listen to you.

[Simon Galloway]

I have also seen this rule applied in Sheffield.  I questioned the supervisor about it and pointed out that it doesn't happen in any serious cash game or tourny on the planet.

The only credible explanation given was that when someone under-raises all in, in teh past it has created massive scraps arguing about when the betting has been re-opened and a 3rd player is allowed to reraise.  So by having this rule, they prevent the fight.

Still not ideal and needs changing.  The underbet rule isn't hard to supervise properly when someone wants to raise all-in with an underbet.

So the girl in Stoke didn't make a mistake - she was following orders.  The cardroom is making a mistake, but the girl wasn't.

[doubleup]

It used to be quite common not to allow all-in under-raises in cash games (apparently to prevent collusion although I cant really think why).