spurs v rangers

[fergus8]

thankfully that rules out most of the uefa cup teams

[Scottish Dave]

ohhhhh helsingborg, now there's a tie!

you do realise henke would batter 3 past that idiot McGregor!

Spartak would piss all over hutton and Rangers.....im beginning to look more forward to rangers tie than ours....we are used to playing the creme de la creme anyway, it will just be the same old same old for the reigning champions

[Rod Paradise]

The top 9 or 10 sides in the EPL would be Rangers over 2 legs. Even with an Ibrox european atmosphere.

Both Rangers and Celtic's (and Scotland's) performances in Europe recently have been above their level. (Credit for that) You only have to look at the transfers in and out of the two teams with the EPL to see that there's a class difference.

Who did Newcastle get in Europe this season?  Oops relegation fears.

Ah, attack to deflect the valid point?!!

LOL, only fear of relegation I have is that Sunderland and Boro get it and we'll lose guarenteed points!! As to Newcastle not being in Europe it is slightly trickier to get into it in England! I mean gretna (who would be League 1 down here!) will get within 7 places of it in Scotland this year!!

Oh and there's the small matter of Newcastle being ranked 13 places higher than Celtic (and 34 ahead of Rangers) in the current Uefa rankings - based on our recent UEFA performances! Them's the facts!

That's more an argument against a) The national contribution to a team's coeff when they're not in Europe. & b) the inequalities of the coeff points given out in the UEFA against the CL.

[Teacake]

Imagine Robbie Keane scoring at Fortress Ibrox & doing his trademark marksman celebration!!!! 

Cue permarage overdrive  , it would make Boruc blessing himself look like a Sunday school picnic (Church of Scotland obv)

[Nem]

Imagine Robbie Keane scoring at Fortress Ibrox & doing his trademark marksman celebration!!!! 

Cue permarage overdrive  , it would make Boruc blessing himself look like a Sunday school picnic (Church of Scotland obv)

He doesn't do that celebration anymore, because he finally realised that it is pretty lame and he also sprained his wrist and lost his place when he done it a couple of seasons back.

[Teacake]

Imagine Robbie Keane scoring at Fortress Ibrox & doing his trademark marksman celebration!!!! 

Cue permarage overdrive  , it would make Boruc blessing himself look like a Sunday school picnic (Church of Scotland obv)

He doesn't do that celebration anymore, because he finally realised that it is pretty lame and he also sprained his wrist and lost his place when he done it a couple of seasons back.

I think he might bring it back for a special occasion 

[Rooky9]

The top 9 or 10 sides in the EPL would be Rangers over 2 legs. Even with an Ibrox european atmosphere.

Both Rangers and Celtic's (and Scotland's) performances in Europe recently have been above their level. (Credit for that) You only have to look at the transfers in and out of the two teams with the EPL to see that there's a class difference.

Who did Newcastle get in Europe this season?  Oops relegation fears.

Ah, attack to deflect the valid point?!!

LOL, only fear of relegation I have is that Sunderland and Boro get it and we'll lose guarenteed points!! As to Newcastle not being in Europe it is slightly trickier to get into it in England! I mean gretna (who would be League 1 down here!) will get within 7 places of it in Scotland this year!!

Oh and there's the small matter of Newcastle being ranked 13 places higher than Celtic (and 34 ahead of Rangers) in the current Uefa rankings - based on our recent UEFA performances! Them's the facts!

That's more an argument against a) The national contribution to a team's coeff when they're not in Europe. & b) the inequalities of the coeff points given out in the UEFA against the CL.

I'm happy that someone with more football understanding than I could ever want has come up with a pretty decent system. The contribution when not in the competition earning points is less than 5% (which is probably undervalued).

[Teacake]

The top 9 or 10 sides in the EPL would be Rangers over 2 legs. Even with an Ibrox european atmosphere.

Both Rangers and Celtic's (and Scotland's) performances in Europe recently have been above their level. (Credit for that) You only have to look at the transfers in and out of the two teams with the EPL to see that there's a class difference.

Who did Newcastle get in Europe this season?  Oops relegation fears.

Ah, attack to deflect the valid point?!!

LOL, only fear of relegation I have is that Sunderland and Boro get it and we'll lose guarenteed points!! As to Newcastle not being in Europe it is slightly trickier to get into it in England! I mean gretna (who would be League 1 down here!) will get within 7 places of it in Scotland this year!!

Oh and there's the small matter of Newcastle being ranked 13 places higher than Celtic (and 34 ahead of Rangers) in the current Uefa rankings - based on our recent UEFA performances! Them's the facts!

That's more an argument against a) The national contribution to a team's coeff when they're not in Europe. & b) the inequalities of the coeff points given out in the UEFA against the CL.

I'm happy that someone with more football understanding than I could ever want has come up with a pretty decent system. The contribution when not in the competition earning points is less than 5% (which is probably undervalued).

Newcastle had 94.61 points at the begining of this season, 22.6 of these came from the country coefficient. Even taking into account Newcastle contributed to these points in 4 of the last 5 seasons you actually earned nearer 20% of your points because of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs & Boro.

 

[Rooky9]

The top 9 or 10 sides in the EPL would be Rangers over 2 legs. Even with an Ibrox european atmosphere.

Both Rangers and Celtic's (and Scotland's) performances in Europe recently have been above their level. (Credit for that) You only have to look at the transfers in and out of the two teams with the EPL to see that there's a class difference.

Who did Newcastle get in Europe this season?  Oops relegation fears.

Ah, attack to deflect the valid point?!!

LOL, only fear of relegation I have is that Sunderland and Boro get it and we'll lose guarenteed points!! As to Newcastle not being in Europe it is slightly trickier to get into it in England! I mean gretna (who would be League 1 down here!) will get within 7 places of it in Scotland this year!!

Oh and there's the small matter of Newcastle being ranked 13 places higher than Celtic (and 34 ahead of Rangers) in the current Uefa rankings - based on our recent UEFA performances! Them's the facts!

That's more an argument against a) The national contribution to a team's coeff when they're not in Europe. & b) the inequalities of the coeff points given out in the UEFA against the CL.

I'm happy that someone with more football understanding than I could ever want has come up with a pretty decent system. The contribution when not in the competition earning points is less than 5% (which is probably undervalued).

Newcastle had 94.61 points at the begining of this season, 22.6 of these came from the country coefficient. Even taking into account Newcastle contributed to these points in 4 of the last 5 seasons you actually earned nearer 20% of your points because of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs & Boro.

 

I was right in what I said. 5% when not playing in them!! We are responsible for a bigger % of the country points than all but Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United. So 20% will be a little high for the overall.

Having said all this you can take all our country coeffiecient points away and still be above celtic!!

[Teacake]

The top 9 or 10 sides in the EPL would be Rangers over 2 legs. Even with an Ibrox european atmosphere.

Both Rangers and Celtic's (and Scotland's) performances in Europe recently have been above their level. (Credit for that) You only have to look at the transfers in and out of the two teams with the EPL to see that there's a class difference.

Who did Newcastle get in Europe this season?  Oops relegation fears.

Ah, attack to deflect the valid point?!!

LOL, only fear of relegation I have is that Sunderland and Boro get it and we'll lose guarenteed points!! As to Newcastle not being in Europe it is slightly trickier to get into it in England! I mean gretna (who would be League 1 down here!) will get within 7 places of it in Scotland this year!!

Oh and there's the small matter of Newcastle being ranked 13 places higher than Celtic (and 34 ahead of Rangers) in the current Uefa rankings - based on our recent UEFA performances! Them's the facts!

That's more an argument against a) The national contribution to a team's coeff when they're not in Europe. & b) the inequalities of the coeff points given out in the UEFA against the CL.

I'm happy that someone with more football understanding than I could ever want has come up with a pretty decent system. The contribution when not in the competition earning points is less than 5% (which is probably undervalued).

Newcastle had 94.61 points at the begining of this season, 22.6 of these came from the country coefficient. Even taking into account Newcastle contributed to these points in 4 of the last 5 seasons you actually earned nearer 20% of your points because of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs & Boro.

 

I was right in what I said. 5% when not playing in them!! We are responsible for a bigger % of the country points than all but Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United. So 20% will be a little high for the overall.

Having said all this you can take all our country coeffiecient points away and still be above celtic!!

Arsenal also earned more points than Newcastle but yes you would have more points than Celtic due to decent runs in the UEFA Cup added to the country coefficient.
This another area where the ranking system is flawed as you get the same points for beating weaker teams & you also get to play more games in the UEFA Cup if you go fairly deep.
It would actually benefit Celtics coefficient to qualify for the Champions League group stage, pick up 7 or 8 points then drop into UEFA Cup where they would have more chance of picking up coefficient points than in the Champions League, to me thats just plain wrong.

[Rooky9]

I disagree that Arsenal have contributed more but it neither here nor there! (15 by Arsenal, 18.5 by Newcastle - from UEFA cup AND Champions League!)

The right teams (ie Chamions league winners and semi finalists) are always at the top of it so it can't favour UEFa cup'ers that much.

[Div]

The UEFA Cup effect is most noticeable for Romania. Currently ranked 6th strongest country in Europe. Just behind Germany and ahead of amongst others Russia, Portugal, Netherlands and Czech Republic.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2008.html

Last year Seville got 31 points for winning the UEFA Cup. Milan got 28 for winning the CL.

[fergus8]

rangers spurs
aberdeen everton
celtic chelski/manu

must be at least one of these, not had a knockout battle of britain in ages

[Teacake]

I disagree that Arsenal have contributed more but it neither here nor there! (15 by Arsenal, 18.5 by Newcastle - from UEFA cup AND Champions League!)

The right teams (ie Chamions league winners and semi finalists) are always at the top of it so it can't favour UEFa cup'ers that much.

I don't think you fully understand how the points work, they are accumulated over the last 5 seasons. Arsenal have contributed more in that time than Man Utd & Chelsea nevermind Newcastle.

Also on the one occasion you qualified for the Champions League in the last 5 years you accumulated 15.52 points, in the next 3 years you played in the UEFA Cup you achieved 24, 27 & 22 so yes it does affect the ratings quite significantly outside the very top clubs who consistently go deep in the Champions League. The only reason UEFA Cuppers don't get to the very top of the rankings is because they either progress to the Champions League (eg Porto & Seville) or they fail to qualify for Europe at all (eg Newcastle, Parma, Espanyol).

Espanyol accumulated more points than any other club last season (35.27) & lost the UEFA Cup Final to Seville who were 2nd highest (31.27) while Milan won the Champions League but were only 5th highest points scorers with 27.93. The previous year Steua Bucharest were ranked 4th & Middlesborough 6th!

Do you still think the system is fair?

[fergus8]

wrecking my thread with your dodgy paranoia, open up a new thread "how celtic are hard done by" im sure it ll have plenty views