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« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2008, 02:52:29 AM »

I think most players like to 'know' exactly what they're going to spend beforehand on a comp, in a rebuy you can never be sure of course...

buy in times 5 should do it generally

I just like to know how much my buy in will be and how much the starting stacks will be.

A £10 re-buy is essentially a £50 freeze-out at least from a cost point of view, but with the added disadvantage of not necessarily having the min of 5000 chips you'd be guaranteed if it were a straight freeze-out, if that makes sense.

Someone with deep pockets going all-in every hand can make the whole thing a little tedious if you never pick up the hands to play back at him/her. 

Yes but that kind of spot is pretty profitable, and don't forget the people who will not rebuy who are basically giving free money away and similar with people who will only rebuy once.
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« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2008, 09:10:55 AM »

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

Yes, in hindsight rebuys do sound very skillful.
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« Reply #77 on: July 31, 2008, 09:14:30 AM »

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

Yes, in hindsight rebuys do sound very skillful.

And players never go fishing in freezeouts
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« Reply #78 on: July 31, 2008, 09:27:07 AM »

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

Yes, in hindsight rebuys do sound very skillful.

And players never go fishing in freezeouts

indeed..Good and bad players in every tourney you play.

I much prefer rebuys myself..I think they allow for more play in the first few levels and they revert to a freeze-out later anyways..I can't believe people think there is only skill involved in a freeze-out.

And the more luck in 6 O rather than 4 O...I believe a young Mr Colclough posted a while back that he thought there was more skill in 6 O
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« Reply #79 on: July 31, 2008, 09:32:12 AM »

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I can't believe people think there is only skill involved in a freeze-out....

I don't think anybody has suggested that, only that there is a  higher ratio of skill to luck in freeze-outs.

You can overcome a player or two fishing for draws in a freeze-out, it gets a bit harder in rebuys when over half the table are fishing.
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« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2008, 09:38:05 AM »

Obviously, there's skill in both freezeouts and rebuys - and there's luck in both (anyone see boldie last night in the donkathon?).

Rob's point is interesting though.  If you have a limited amount of time (as you do with tournaments run over one evening), and so the same start/finish times, aren't the skill levels of the two tournaments going to be roughly equal?

You start a freezeout at 8pm and it finishes at 3am will it have a similar skill level to a rebuy that starts and finishes at the same time?
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« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2008, 10:09:34 AM »

I much prefer rebuys myself..I think they allow for more play in the first few levels and they revert to a freeze-out later anyways
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« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2008, 10:37:37 AM »

I will be happier to go to DTD knowing that if I get to the final it's not such a late night. I have a business to run which interferes significantly with playing poker.
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« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2008, 10:39:51 AM »

I will be happier to go to DTD knowing that if I get to the final it's not such a late night. I have a business to run which interferes significantly with playing poker.

Ah, stick it up yer....erm..oh wait..forgot whom I was talking to Wink
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« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2008, 11:03:21 AM »

I will be happier to go to DTD knowing that if I get to the final it's not such a late night. I have a business to run which interferes significantly with playing poker.

I understand that point of view, and it's particularly important on a school night for many players.

On the other side of the coin is that many people travel a fair distance to play at DTD - so they want to make sure they can get a good session there.  I really only get the chance to play at weekends - usually only one or two nights a week.  So on those nights I'd prefer it to be open later, but to be honest even on a Friday or Saturday night there are only a handful of cash tables still running beyond 4am.
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« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2008, 11:32:16 AM »

Whilst we have to believe the reasons behind Robs decision to revert back to a 5 night a week club it must also be noted that attendances generally everywhere over the last three months have been down by as much as 75% compared to last years figures. The last three festivals that I can recall good figures for were GCBT Nottingham, Norwegian Poker Championships - DTD and GCBT Bristol. Manchester GUKPT, Liverpool Leo's in May, GUKPT - Newcastle, DTD festival in July and Broadway last week have all suffered greatly with very little value for the player to justify playing the main event unless you satellite into one.

A lot of poker players have all been pissing into the same pot at the end of that elusive rainbow looking for a quick fix to the financial burdens that a poker player has and there are so many games every week now up and down the country or a short flight away that players have to choose a venue where they believe they will get value for money within their budget, with ever increasing fuel costs, mortgage rates and the inevitable strain on a player to deliver the goods and get a result. With all these games and festivals taking place there is oh so much money going out of the game (reg fee's, valets, food and drink, cash tables and rake when busted out of the competition) that eventually you get meltdown and that's where we are at the moment, no ones got any money ,ffs - look around and see whats happening.

More and more casinos are seeing less people at the house games roulette and black jack and their profits are being hit so they start inducing people into their card rooms with games like a £20 deepstack freezeout 10k starting stack and are attracting 130 players or a casino in stockport (not been there yet) but I'm told that the games are good value and the FREE buffets are better than those served up by Ian Beale with fresh lobster and crab served and no charge for ANY drinks (must get up there soon - for the lobster). With Vegas just two weeks behind us now and with 98% of returning players coming back out of pocket there is so much less money out there now.

The decision to halve the hours and revert back to freezeouts I think personally is a good decision and one that has to be taken, it is also a way of reducing the staff hours and overall costs as with less feet coming through the doors Rob has to make this decision in the present climate and I don't think that it's been made just so he can sit down and have a game of poker, standards have slipped lately at DTD and this is probally down to fatigue and tiredness,  Rob is no doubt aware of this perhaps he could also look at not charging for non alcoholic drinks, DTD has been a massive success story over the last 12 months and I'm sure that it wont be long before it's hosting a WSOPE or an EPT because at the end of the day it is a fantastic venue and more importantly it would be the correct venue to host either of the above events.

I personally have Broadway, Walsall J10 and Star City all within a 20 minute drive of my house while DTD is approx 1 hour and 49 miles away but I will continue to go to where I believe I am getting the best value for my hard earned dollar. I wish Rob all the best in his efforts to get DTD back to the pleasurable poker palace that is was just 6 months ago and hope to see you at the table playing in one of your evening freezeouts. ;-)

I also understand that Paul Jackson is no longer with DTD, is this correct? was this Paul's decision to leave DTD and what was the reasons behind that?. Paul has and still is regarded as one of Europe's premier poker players who is much respected on and off the table and I send my best wishes for his future.

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« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2008, 11:36:49 AM »

I also understand that Paul Jackson is no longer with DTD, is this correct? was this Paul's decision to leave DTD and what was the reasons behind that?. Paul has and still is regarded as one of Europe's premier poker players who is much respected on and off the table and I send my best wishes for his future.

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Yes that is correct. Great player, great mentor. He's playing GUKPT at Luton next week.
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« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2008, 12:09:25 PM »

            steve regarding you say on stockport ,when and if you get to the final its a proper crap shoot,
with a maximum of 10 big blinds no play what so ever.
             as for having to pay for your drinks dtd i dont mind ,when you see how many staff he has to employ
and all stunning ,it would cost him a small fortune to pay them .no one forces any one to drink or eat.

  good luck for the future rob .







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« Reply #88 on: July 31, 2008, 12:16:11 PM »

People only provide free drinks when they are getting that money from elsewhere.

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« Reply #89 on: July 31, 2008, 12:22:40 PM »

I will be happier to go to DTD knowing that if I get to the final it's not such a late night. I have a business to run which interferes significantly with playing poker.

THAT IS A GREAT QUOTE FROM A TRUE POKER PLAYER.

Someone not so hardcore might have says playing poker interferes with the running of my business.
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