This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[Rod Paradise]

His opinions on Christmas are interesting:

"Every Muslim has a responsibility to protect his family from the misguidance of Christmas, because its observance will lead to hellfire. Protect your Paradise from being taken away – protect yourself and your family from Christmas"

ORLY.

If moderate Muslims want to counter act all this negativity why dont they organise a march against all these "extremisits", have never seen one not even after 7/7.

ORLY?

And which Christian Churches don't promise hellfire and damnation for non-believers? Even those of other Christian sects?

Let those without sin etc.....

[sledge13]

 

[GlasgowBandit]

Lord graciously hear us.

[MANTIS01]

Interesting thread. Many of the views herein suggest the protests should be allowed whether you agree with them or not....cos that's why the soldiers are fighting. This is a silly view on a plethora of levels. In the first place that is not why the soldiers are fighting, that is merely how conflicts vs the Middle East are spun to the public...and thus that argument doesn't hold up past the 1st level imo. The fact is it's illegal to incite racial hatred in this country...so you don't have freedom of speech...you can't say what you want. That protest was guilty of inciting racial hatred vs British people and therefore it shouldn't have been be allowed.

I remember 82 year-old Walter Wolfgang, a Labour Party member for 57 years getting man-handled out of the Labour Party conference for heckling Jack Straw in 2005. Where was this guy's freedom to protest eh? So the politicians who are sending these guys to die allow extremist groups to spout bile at soldiers...but wont let an old guy heckle them. Using the defense of law is fragile because laws are made and changed by ministers often at their convenience.

Here's what's important. Imagine in the future our soldiers get so fecked off with risking their lives only to return home to abuse they quit the army in droves. When serious conflict arises who is going to defend us? Who? It's so easy to wallow in the pride of your liberal views when you live in a safe and protected country. But if that country becomes volatile what are you gonna want, safety or liberalism? The soldiers provide our safety and thus should be immune to our criticism. If fanatics want to protest then addressing politicians rather than soldiers is significantly more appropriate.

The politicians tell us there's a terror war going on. It's a dirty war. And as intelligent people we are free to manage our usually liberal views to counter the enemy. Saying abuse of our soldiers should be allowed on home turf is like going out into the carpark for a fight vs a guy who produces a knife...and refusing to deviate from Queensbury rules. Cos dem's the rules.

So put your dukes up Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the English sense of fair play cometh. Bet he's brickin it.

[nirvana]

The soldiers provide our safety and thus should be immune to our criticism.

Sir, I am overcome by the exuberance of your verbosity. Gets my award for the most ludic post on this thread - just the quoted line alone makes your entire position laughable imo.

Still, keep writing son, even a minky typing a million letters will eventually make sense

[MANTIS01]

The soldiers provide our safety and thus should be immune to our criticism.

Sir, I am overcome by the exuberance of your verbosity. Gets my award for the most ludic post on this thread - just the quoted line alone makes your entire position laughable imo.

Still, keep writing son, even a minky typing a million letters will eventually make sense

This refers to a soldier doing his duty in honourable fashion. You think soldiers performing their duty in honourable fashion should be slagged off? I don't. Criticise politicians for sending them all you want but please build a case for calling soldiers baby killers cos I want to hear it.

[boldie]

Again, I'm a massive bleeding heart liberal at the best of times...and I'm all for Freedom of speech and for the "people's right to protest"..but freedom of speech has it's limits.

You can't racially abuse people, it's against the law. You can't deny the holocaust, it's against the law.

Should you be able to criticise soldiers?...yes of course you should. Should you be able to insult innocent people who come back home from abroad? No of course not. Action should have been taken against the "protestors" for the verbal abuse hurled at the soldiers...not for protesting. There is a difference.

[sledge13]

Should a Dutch MP have been allowed to enter England? of course he should when he just had a view point on Islam..oh whats that? freedom of speech is already dead under the Labour/nazi goverment...disgrace!

[boldie]

Should a Dutch MP have been allowed to enter England? of course he should when he just had a view point on Islam..oh whats that? freedom of speech is already dead under the Labour/nazi goverment...disgrace!

yes he should have been allowed in. He was invited by a bunch of MPs that were going to watch his movie (which IMO is a ridiculously bad piece of work and definitely racist but that's another matter) and he was going to "explain himself"..that would have been the time for a good debate and a clever guy could have exposed him for the opportunist racist that he really is. To turn him away after first inviting him is not on IMO.

[Colchester Kev]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7947377.stm

This should get more media coverage than those protests in Luton

[kinboshi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7947377.stm

This should get more media coverage than those protests in Luton

Pah, what a disgrace.  Was Steve McClaren in charge?

[Colchester Kev]

Nah, it was the Sunderland kit that did for them

[boldie]

wow..just how shit is Basra if the locals don't mind wearing a Wigan strip?

[sledge13]

Good to know Labour Mps are in charge....

[boldie]

Good to know Labour Mps are in charge....

lol @ taking him literally there