Simple hand, but did i allow the pot to get out of control

[outragous76]

I recognised Tim but had not played with him before.

I think saying he plays no hands early is complete rubbish, he was as active as anyone at the table and we had just had a little tussle in the previous pot where he passed on the river to my value bet. I wouldnt say he was agro, but at this point I had no reason to believe he was a rock.

I bet 1,500 on the flop, he made it 3,500, at this point i felt a little sick

I have played with Tim 6 times (3 GUKPT 1k's) and 3 other 300+ buy ins - i have barely seen him play a hnad at level 1! All I can do is go with what i know

Maybe he thought you were the value

[StuartHopkin]

lol  . obviously there is a deuce in his hand. what else would he have ?  is a bit of a player based hand rather then a hand in general. there is history of somet between u cause it just seams a strange random thing to do(either of u play this hand this way) . spew by u but even more spewy by him.   spew spew spew

Sorry Salfi, didnt mean to abuse the PHA, I was just muckin about after Cos's reply.

There was no K on the turn

We checked it down and he had AA

Looking back its pretty spewy, and obv a whole id like to plug.

For some reason i just didnt have him on such a tight range as AA or KK

[GreekStein]

For some reason i just didnt have him on such a tight range as AA or KK

Yeah to be fair he DID disguise his 4-bet in level 1 as something which may be weaker than those two hands.

By the way, did I mention I think you should fold pre?

[StuartHopkin]

I recognised Tim but had not played with him before.

I think saying he plays no hands early is complete rubbish, he was as active as anyone at the table and we had just had a little tussle in the previous pot where he passed on the river to my value bet. I wouldnt say he was agro, but at this point I had no reason to believe he was a rock.

I bet 1,500 on the flop, he made it 3,500, at this point i felt a little sick

I have played with Tim 6 times (3 GUKPT 1k's) and 3 other 300+ buy ins - i have barely seen him play a hnad at level 1! All I can do is go with what i know

Maybe he thought you were the value

Lol cheers mate!
By the way i played this hand i probably was!

I wasnt questioning your judgement, but not knowing how he plays before and he seemed to be playing his fair share of hands in the first level meant I had no reason to believe he was a rock.

Mmm, dont think it makes a difference to the hand but maybe to how he was playing, we were 6 handed for much of the first level as we had 2 vacant stacks and an empty seat, therefore people were obviously opening a bit more, but not to say anyone had got out of line.

Ash was also at the table so the cards had been shuffled to his specifications.

[StuartHopkin]

For some reason i just didnt have him on such a tight range as AA or KK

Yeah to be fair he DID disguise his 4-bet in level 1 as something which may be weaker than those two hands.

By the way, did I mention I think you should fold pre?

Lol leave me alone, looking back it is pretty obv

Are we guaranteeing he flats here with QQ JJ 1010?

[GreekStein]

yessur

[StuartHopkin]

yessur

I see
I am more tez than i thought 

[George2Loose]

If Blake is so tight- should we ever 3 bet AK in the first place?

[EvilPie]

If Blake is so tight- should we ever 3 bet AK in the first place?

I was thinking exactly the same.

You have to 3 bet this hand surely. When he 4 bets I don't mind going for the 5 bet if we 100% know he passes everything but AA/KK which he shoves.

Yes it's turning it in to a bluff but I can't fold without a bit of a fight.

[ChipRich]

flat pre.

[BulldozerD]

played against him a couple of times and he is a nit from what i can tell

3betting AK against this guy isn't for value imo as he probably passes all weaker As and

his 4bet size is hugely suspicious and i don't think he ever has worse than QQ here, probably not even QQ.

I am a serial overplayer of AK but even i resist the temptation to 3bet and also fold to the 4bet despite having position

[AlexMartin]

Does he play as t88ml or something akin to that online? If so hes not a huge nit. 3b pre > call. forsure you can call his 4bet since hes given you a pass with his betsizing assuming stacksizes are deepish. As played check back the turn you have the deck crushed, the pot is so big he wont risk trying anything funky or stacking light with a cr but might bang the river.

[outragous76]

Does he play as t88ml or something akin to that online? If so hes not a huge nit. 3b pre > call. forsure you can call his 4bet since hes given you a pass with his betsizing assuming stacksizes are deepish. As played check back the turn you have the deck crushed, the pot is so big he wont risk trying anything funky or stacking light with a cr but might bang the river.

yes he does

please note - i think Tim is an excellent player - and my nitty comments soley relate to the first few levels - he is as crazy as any high stales on line player when the antes kick in - but i have never seen him go crazy in level 1 ( as proven by this hand)

i agree with the call pre sentiments - but once we have 3 bet - i still 5 bet fold

[salfi]

Does he play as t88ml or something akin to that online? If so hes not a huge nit. 3b pre > call. forsure you can call his 4bet since hes given you a pass with his betsizing assuming stacksizes are deepish. As played check back the turn you have the deck crushed, the pot is so big he wont risk trying anything funky or stacking light with a cr but might bang the river.

yes he does

please note - i think Tim is an excellent player - and my nitty comments soley relate to the first few levels - he is as crazy as any high stales on line player when the antes kick in - but i have never seen him go crazy in level 1 ( as proven by this hand)

i agree with the call pre sentiments - but once we have 3 bet - i still 5 bet fold

if your turning ak into a bluff  after 5betting wp im sure thats a proffitable play here . wtf?

[outragous76]

Does he play as t88ml or something akin to that online? If so hes not a huge nit. 3b pre > call. forsure you can call his 4bet since hes given you a pass with his betsizing assuming stacksizes are deepish. As played check back the turn you have the deck crushed, the pot is so big he wont risk trying anything funky or stacking light with a cr but might bang the river.

yes he does

please note - i think Tim is an excellent player - and my nitty comments soley relate to the first few levels - he is as crazy as any high stales on line player when the antes kick in - but i have never seen him go crazy in level 1 ( as proven by this hand)

i agree with the call pre sentiments - but once we have 3 bet - i still 5 bet fold

if your turning ak into a bluff  after 5betting wp im sure thats a proffitable play here . wtf?

Yes but you can 5 bet to say 2800  - if he raises again you know what he has - very few people will make a move here

whereas if you take the flop - and hit your A or K - (as we did here) you could put in alot more than your 2.8k

Im not saying its a great play, but i think it is better than flatting now - he might even lay down a reasonably big hand himself