what is the flatters range? (scoop 37m $215)

[outragous76]

Yeah I agree they're all pretty similar,

lol following your opening comment with that

[AlexMartin]

Yeah I agree they're all pretty similar, was going more for the extremes e.g. player with OPR of -30% over 300 MTTs.  Go broke on nearly all flops.  Player with VPIP >30 over 100 hands, go broke on nearly all flops.  Player is huge loser at cash games but OPR is pretty much empty, go broke on nearly all flops. etc etc

1) would check PTR since he hasn't played many tournies to see if he's some sort of cash game sicko.  If nothing then his stats are relatively meaningless... Good stat to check is average buyin on OPR as higher tends to mean better player.  If he typically plays $2/180s then I think you can happily assume he binked some big tourney and just go broke w AK

2/3/4) clearly has pretty solid preflop game so can assume they are strong here

There's obv not a great deal of information to be had if you've just moved to the table, but in all likelihood you've been at the table for 50 hands and it's worth so much money to know they can be flatting QJo or 44 here than if they just have QQ+.

solid response tbf, wonder how many mtt grinders really go to this much of a length in looking at players when putting in a big session, over/under on 10% of fulltimers?

[Rupert]

@Keys yeah I just do it on the fly.  If I go deep in something will OPR people to get an idea of if they are any good or not but likely have lots of hands on them by that point so pay more weight to that.

@AM obviously this doesn't apply to everyone but a lot of MTTers are staked/massive stoners/really lazy and don't take MTTs as seriously as perhaps they could if they were looking to make more money.  Basically a lot are happy to just grind out their B game content with 40% ROIs or w/e is decent but unimpressive (I mostly play cash but dabble in MTTs from time to time and can understand how easy it is to autopilot these things)

[EvilPie]

There's all sorts of right in Rupert's posts though.

Rupert, (and other mtt grinders), do you go into timebank all the time and bring up OPR on the fly, or do you spend a minute or two of the sync break searching the people on your left?

I'm not exactly a grinder but I always OPR the 2 to my left or right if I'm getting towards the business end of a comp.

As Rupert says you can pick out quite a lot of info. For example if someone plays hundreds of 180 man comps you can be pretty sure that his push fold strat is up to scratch and he'll be shoving wide if he gets short.

All I do is note ABI, ITM and whether they're a winner or loser. Sometimes add a few other bits if something leaps out.

[outragous76]

There's all sorts of right in Rupert's posts though.

Rupert, (and other mtt grinders), do you go into timebank all the time and bring up OPR on the fly, or do you spend a minute or two of the sync break searching the people on your left?

I'm not exactly a grinder but I always OPR the 2 to my left or right if I'm getting towards the business end of a comp.

As Rupert says you can pick out quite a lot of info. For example if someone plays hundreds of 180 man comps you can be pretty sure that his push fold strat is up to scratch and he'll be shoving wide if he gets short.

All I do is note ABI, ITM and whether they're a winner or loser. Sometimes add a few other bits if something leaps out.

THis is a good idea but can also be very limiting - like when you get 14% itm break even small winning players with 33-55 av buy in - all the fkn time

i now just right click ont eh player and "find games" and if they are in more than 5 assume they are semi competant

[Rupert]

Yeah OPR/PTR have obvious limitations.  HUD should definitely be first line of action though, holdem manager pays for itself in very little time at all.