FT calling / folding decisions

[outragous76]

is there an icm wiz that could let us know whether JJ is enough to call ?

yes, they all said call

 

one of them even said "snap his fkn hand off"

[h]

jj all in fair enough then

i was seat 9

i was flatting because i wanted the all in from seat 10
and was happy when i got it

i was interested as i see obective at this stage of geting to last 3 with good stack
and thought seat 10 could pass and still get to last 3 with good stack with out the risk

[outragous76]

jj all in fair enough then

i was seat 9

i was flatting because i wanted the all in from seat 10
and was happy when i got it

i was interested as i see obective at this stage of geting to last 3 with good stack
and thought seat 10 could pass and still get to last 3 with good stack with out the risk

your thinking isnt terrible but the stack sizes arent right for doing it.

When you flat call - it doesnt matter what seat 10 does, because he does the same think with his range of holdings (ie still folds 72 still jamss AA etc). There is no residual fold equity even if he just calls behind.

so basically you jamming/flatting here is the same thing as far as his decission making goes - because you shouldnt be folding any holding if he jams behind.

[SuuPRlim]

ok as i was involved in the hand i would like to assign ranges

these were my immediate thoughts at the time although i am disguising which seat i was

seat 7 original shover

 AJ and all lower aces +
pair 99,s and all lower pairs

i feel if hes got better then hes standard raising and looking for a caller the all in suggest hes not stronger than this  

seat 9
AA KK QQ JJ 10 10 AK AQ AJ MABYE A10
Very polarised limited range i know

this is the real issue for seat10  
For what its worth i thought this was an easy fold for seat 10
didn't think he needed to get involved particularly as seat 9 was inviting the all in IMO

Given the above ranges is there an icm wiz that could let us know whether JJ is enough to call ?

IDK much about ICM, but this should go a decent way to explaining it.

23,971,745,952  games    28.192 secs   850,303,133  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    41.805%     41.05%    00.75%        9841029846    180451220.67   { JdJh }
Hand 1:    20.322%     19.45%    00.87%        4662808668    208733972.67   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo }
Hand 2:    37.873%     36.60%    01.28%        8772653508    306068736.67   { TT+, ATs+, AJo+ }

[suzanne]

Am I the only one who'd be fistpumping it in i he he'd have jammed but kinda expecting to see   /   now he just flats?
Or are we a level ahead of the 10eur re-buy on DTD thinking here?

Why fistpump it in, you said yourself you are expecting to see a monster?

I play these a fair bit and by the info given I am folding here.

Seat 7 is quite possibly stealing the blinds/antes but seat 9 flat calling for 2/3 of his stack has alarm bells ringing all over the place. He wants to get all his chips in but wants you along for the ride too. No matter what the flop you will have to call his remaining 49k and if he has AA/KK/QQ (likely) you have lost half your stack and praying for a jack.

Dont need to get involved i think.

PS I am expecting some stick but i still think I am right ;-)

no, i said if he JAMS I'd fistpump it in, same with  + the reason being that I would imagine given the stack sizes that virtually his entire that doesnt fold jams to iso (not that he has MANY more chips) I have a horrible feeling that the only hands to peel and not jam might be AA/KK 
This said I still cant see too many justifications for folding given the description.

Apologises, my mistake, I read your post wrong.

I agree, if seat 9 had went allin i am calling too but like you say because he has peeled (I have learnt a new poker word  ) he likely has AA/KK/AK..so you are still going to shove?

What did you have Hugh?

[SuuPRlim]

Apologises, my mistake

I've thought about it, and I am prepared to forgive you.

[suzanne]

Apologises, my mistake

I've thought about it, and I am prepared to forgive you.

 

[SuuPRlim]

 

[h]

Am I the only one who'd be fistpumping it in i he he'd have jammed but kinda expecting to see   /   now he just flats?
Or are we a level ahead of the 10eur re-buy on DTD thinking here?

Why fistpump it in, you said yourself you are expecting to see a monster?

I play these a fair bit and by the info given I am folding here.

Seat 7 is quite possibly stealing the blinds/antes but seat 9 flat calling for 2/3 of his stack has alarm bells ringing all over the place. He wants to get all his chips in but wants you along for the ride too. No matter what the flop you will have to call his remaining 49k and if he has AA/KK/QQ (likely) you have lost half your stack and praying for a jack.

Dont need to get involved i think.

PS I am expecting some stick but i still think I am right ;-)

no, i said if he JAMS I'd fistpump it in, same with  + the reason being that I would imagine given the stack sizes that virtually his entire that doesnt fold jams to iso (not that he has MANY more chips) I have a horrible feeling that the only hands to peel and not jam might be AA/KK 
This said I still cant see too many justifications for folding given the description.

Apologises, my mistake, I read your post wrong.

I agree, if seat 9 had went allin i am calling too but like you say because he has peeled (I have learnt a new poker word  ) he likely has AA/KK/AK..so you are still going to shove?

What did you have Hugh?

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