Vegass Handddss

[pleno1]

i think its std b/f, he will come along alot, and they get scared t c/r these boards.

Pleno, are my hand histories impossible to read lol cos you always mis-read the action. it goes

chk chk I bet flop, fold, BB calls.

BB leads turn, its on me facing a $1,150 bet into $1,600 with $9k effective.

you were discussing with alex about betting flop.

[SuuPRlim]

i think its std b/f, he will come along alot, and they get scared t c/r these boards.

Pleno, are my hand histories impossible to read lol cos you always mis-read the action. it goes

chk chk I bet flop, fold, BB calls.

BB leads turn, its on me facing a $1,150 bet into $1,600 with $9k effective.

you were discussing with alex about betting flop.

you're quite right. my bad

thoughts on the turn?

[pleno1]

raiiiiiise it up.

[mondatoo]

raiiiiiise it up.

O rly 

[Boba Fett]

i think its std b/f, he will come along alot, and they get scared t c/r these boards.

Pleno, are my hand histories impossible to read lol cos you always mis-read the action. it goes

chk chk I bet flop, fold, BB calls.

BB leads turn, its on me facing a $1,150 bet into $1,600 with $9k effective.

you were discussing with alex about betting flop.

you're quite right. my bad

thoughts on the turn?

Shove turn as a merge imo

[smashedagain]

Its fine, who cares.

Potential to be greatest PHA thread ever, please keep going.

hand 1. i def squeeze pre ldo, I probably throw in a $1k chip pre.

I'd cb here most of time, common trait ive seen in higher stakes live games is fish who play passive pre can often c/r for info/protection more than they possibly should. I think I cback here as we can ave best hand and can call down on certain cards, aswell as getting to showdown for free with lots of hands where he gives up on.

we're OOP in the AK hand? would you c/f if you didnt cbet?

on sorry yeh

...... watchagonnadohere pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekNOw?

Dan Morgan has joined me in LV and has agreed to add his hands to this thread also!!! come out and spit roast some whores with me.

fyp.
now we have a thread with some potential. watch out Eso Kral and ZeroHero

[SuuPRlim]

How Fucking brutal is this hand.

$25/$50 PLO

4 Handed, UTG opens to $150, BTN makes it $500.

I flat playing ~$14k in the bb with  

UTG FLATS.

Flops comes   . ($1,525)

I chk, UTG Checks BTN bets $1,250

I pot, UTG folds, BTN re-pots etc, we get it in for $30k pot he flips over

 

wonderful, 3 outs

[cambridgealex]

Have to tread carfefully here, but isn't set over set fairly common in PLO? Dave'll understand I'm just being a PLO fish and not taking the piss, why's this so brutal?

[mondatoo]

Have to tread carfefully here, but isn't set over set fairly common in PLO? Dave'll understand I'm just being a PLO fish and not taking the piss, why's this so brutal?

But not so often that they'd also have 2 nfd vs nfd, and I'm a plo noooooob but that's pretty obv.

[b4matt]

Have to tread carfefully here, but isn't set over set fairly common in PLO? Dave'll understand I'm just being a PLO fish and not taking the piss, why's this so brutal?

Brutal because he's got all his flush outs too, just a complete cooler.

Edit- tooo slow.

[SuuPRlim]

Have to tread carfefully here, but isn't set over set fairly common in PLO? Dave'll understand I'm just being a PLO fish and not taking the piss, why's this so brutal?

board:
Hand   Equity   Wins   Ties
KcJsJh9c   39.42%   843,499   10,041
QQ**   60.58%   1,298,960   10,041



board:
Hand   Equity   Wins   Ties
KcJsJh9c   10.98%   90   0
AcQcQsTh   89.02%   730   0


Just pretty brutal to flop the world in a 3bet pot and get it in with 10% lol. Most set over set situations won't cost me $15k, 77** on Th7c5h for example you dont go getting 300bigs in on that flop

[SuuPRlim]

although ofc when you get it in vs someone decent you know you're gonna be vs a good hand, so NFD/gutshot, KQT9/A, etc, didn't expect to see QQ all that often, wasn;t expecting to have him drawing dead, but was certainly expecting to be a favorite or nearing a flip at worst

[cambridgealex]

Cool, nice one. Yeh don't do that again.

[SuuPRlim]

Had another pretty interesting hand yesterday.

$25/$50 NL ($100 BB ante)

UTG, kinda weakish reg opens off $8k to $150

Eric Lieu playing $12k peels the CO

I make it $600 OTB with  playing ~$7k

UTG folds Eric calls.

Flop ($1,525)  (we've done well)

He chks, I bet $1,050, he calls kinda quickly.

Turn ($3,625) (we've done very well lol)

he chks, we have $5,300 back.

When I bet again now I am so strong always, and his range is pretty weak and hugely 1p dominated (not many Q*'s either) seems like such a small % of my range is bet folding this turn so he is chk jamming hardly ever, what do people think is the best way to get value from this point vs a very good thinking player?

I kinda figured my options were, bet joke small, jam, chk back.

Checkign back i think is a bit budget cos he's not going to turn 88 or similar marginal 1p's into a bluff or bet it for value OTR, and he is going to chk fold close to 100% of the time with those hands OTR after I bet/chk/bet, its not a terrible line to take as a bluff in this spot I dont think but I think he'll just give me credit, and the pot2stack is prolly a bit too shallow to expect him to chk.jam anything as a bluff. The other problem is whilst I have his range totally crushed on the turn, he does have a few JT's, 7d8d etc that have decent equity and it would be burning money to let those hands realise their equity. THe only instance where checking back would do well is if he has KQ/QJ, he'll almost defo call a river bet, and might even be tempted to bet it for value, although I really really don't think he will very often.

Betting small I spose opens my range up a bit, might be betting JJ or AdKd etc for thin value or going for what should be a pretty profitable second barrel, still see it getting through a lot just because of how much stronger my range is than his, and the pot being set up for an all in on the river which he will have to fold to a very high %. Also we get a call from JT and bad flush draws will prolly fold now which is pretty acceptable, any Q* he happens to have (only really KQ and QJs) kinda has to call again, and whereas it's unlikely we could get a call from 88~ once in a while. like i say i don't think he's going to jam ever here, not even

Jamming is a pretty interesting option, really weird and he won't be expecting it, I think this is my best chance of weaker hands, but even if he is there with 88 my lighter jams are gonna be Ah , etc and given that I could well show up with an OP or AhQh from time to time and he's now getting a pretty bad price, I cant see him hero'ing all that often, he defo folds JT and diamonds but he also might fold something like KQ

What do you all think?

[skolsuper]

Don't like pre. Bet smaller on the flop and SPRs are prettier for bet-bet-bet with a balanced range. Now, jamming is very much an option, think it's between that and betting joke small, like $725...