Re: Gary Speed

[tikay]

Loving the irony, not. You have high standards to maintain (I mean that genuinely) but this was not your finest effort this time, Sir.

There's a good bit of missing the point here, & I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Discuss & specualte on Gary Speed or anyone else as much as you wish, it's perfectly fine.

But, you know, a normal human being with a modicum of respect for others might just wait until the body is cold, & the poor chap has been laid to rest, right? THAT was why the Threads were split, & offence was caused. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

 

[Acidmouse]

deeper hole...


 

[MANTIS01]

Loving the irony, not. You have high standards to maintain (I mean that genuinely) but this was not your finest effort this time, Sir.

There's a good bit of missing the point here, & I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Discuss & specualte on Gary Speed or anyone else as much as you wish, it's perfectly fine.

But, you know, a normal human being with a modicum of respect for others might just wait until the body is cold, & the poor chap has been laid to rest, right? THAT was why the Threads were split, & offence was caused. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

 

Yes Tony that is your opinion and I wouldn’t seek to deny you that opinion. Attitudes towards death differ markedly dependant upon many different factors and individual religions and attitudes so I would think carefully before I labelled you or anybody else disrespectful.

In this case the circumstances of his demise should be thoroughly investigated imo. If a death is criminally suspicious the police will start their investigations immediately because respect issues aren't as important as finding out what happened. The death of GS is not criminally suspicious but it is definitely a suspicious incident and so personally I don’t think it’s wise to delay asking these questions. I think it’s more respectful to pursuit it with vigour as soon as possible than to turn away and be silent, but that is just me.

I remember when Diana died in tragic circumstances and immediately people were challenging the press. I mean straight away on the night it happened people were asking questions about press involvement and did they cause her death. Diana's body wasn't cold but people felt so stunned and confused they wanted answers. Were all those people disrespectful to Diana and her memory?

I read a piece by Stan Collymore over the weekend who said he knew exactly how GS felt because he has been suicidal with depression. He recounted how he had been in bed for 5 weeks unable to move before he attempted suicide. Why is that story of mental illness linked to the death of GS who wasn’t in bed for 5 weeks with depression? The depression theory is just pure speculation by the media, but that is the sort of speculation people are seemingly fine with. I am not happy with that speculation and would like to speculate for an answer closer to the truth. Whether you agree with me or not is beside the point. That is my view and my posts on the subject were never once disrespectful to a man I admired greatly and had a lot of affection for. So for fellow Blonde members to be allowed to tell me to shut the fuck up and for my thoughts to be censored and for mods to label me disrespectful and distasteful is quite something. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

[kinboshi]

If it's the same Collymore piece that I read, that was written before Speed's death.

This one:  http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ecoqm1

[RED-DOG]

Loving the irony, not. You have high standards to maintain (I mean that genuinely) but this was not your finest effort this time, Sir.

There's a good bit of missing the point here, & I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Discuss & specualte on Gary Speed or anyone else as much as you wish, it's perfectly fine.

But, you know, a normal human being with a modicum of respect for others might just wait until the body is cold, & the poor chap has been laid to rest, right? THAT was why the Threads were split, & offence was caused. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

 

Yes Tony that is your opinion and I wouldn’t seek to deny you that opinion. Attitudes towards death differ markedly dependant upon many different factors and individual religions and attitudes so I would think carefully before I labelled you or anybody else disrespectful.

In this case the circumstances of his demise should be thoroughly investigated imo. If a death is criminally suspicious the police will start their investigations immediately because respect issues aren't as important as finding out what happened. The death of GS is not criminally suspicious but it is definitely a suspicious incident and so personally I don’t think it’s wise to delay asking these questions. I think it’s more respectful to pursuit it with vigour as soon as possible than to turn away and be silent, but that is just me.

I remember when Diana died in tragic circumstances and immediately people were challenging the press. I mean straight away on the night it happened people were asking questions about press involvement and did they cause her death. Diana's body wasn't cold but people felt so stunned and confused they wanted answers. Were all those people disrespectful to Diana and her memory?

I read a piece by Stan Collymore over the weekend who said he knew exactly how GS felt because he has been suicidal with depression. He recounted how he had been in bed for 5 weeks unable to move before he attempted suicide. Why is that story of mental illness linked to the death of GS who wasn’t in bed for 5 weeks with depression? The depression theory is just pure speculation by the media, but that is the sort of speculation people are seemingly fine with. I am not happy with that speculation and would like to speculate for an answer closer to the truth. Whether you agree with me or not is beside the point. That is my view and my posts on the subject were never once disrespectful to a man I admired greatly and had a lot of affection for. So for fellow Blonde members to be allowed to tell me to shut the fuck up and for my thoughts to be censored and for mods to label me disrespectful and distasteful is quite something. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

But were the comments not removed and your thoughts re-instated?

[tikay]

Loving the irony, not. You have high standards to maintain (I mean that genuinely) but this was not your finest effort this time, Sir.

There's a good bit of missing the point here, & I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Discuss & specualte on Gary Speed or anyone else as much as you wish, it's perfectly fine.

But, you know, a normal human being with a modicum of respect for others might just wait until the body is cold, & the poor chap has been laid to rest, right? THAT was why the Threads were split, & offence was caused. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

 

Yes Tony that is your opinion and I wouldn’t seek to deny you that opinion. Attitudes towards death differ markedly dependant upon many different factors and individual religions and attitudes so I would think carefully before I labelled you or anybody else disrespectful.

In this case the circumstances of his demise should be thoroughly investigated imo. If a death is criminally suspicious the police will start their investigations immediately because respect issues aren't as important as finding out what happened. The death of GS is not criminally suspicious but it is definitely a suspicious incident and so personally I don’t think it’s wise to delay asking these questions. I think it’s more respectful to pursuit it with vigour as soon as possible than to turn away and be silent, but that is just me.

I remember when Diana died in tragic circumstances and immediately people were challenging the press. I mean straight away on the night it happened people were asking questions about press involvement and did they cause her death. Diana's body wasn't cold but people felt so stunned and confused they wanted answers. Were all those people disrespectful to Diana and her memory?

I read a piece by Stan Collymore over the weekend who said he knew exactly how GS felt because he has been suicidal with depression. He recounted how he had been in bed for 5 weeks unable to move before he attempted suicide. Why is that story of mental illness linked to the death of GS who wasn’t in bed for 5 weeks with depression? The depression theory is just pure speculation by the media, but that is the sort of speculation people are seemingly fine with. I am not happy with that speculation and would like to speculate for an answer closer to the truth. Whether you agree with me or not is beside the point. That is my view and my posts on the subject were never once disrespectful to a man I admired greatly and had a lot of affection for. So for fellow Blonde members to be allowed to tell me to shut the fuck up and for my thoughts to be censored and for mods to label me disrespectful and distasteful is quite something. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

You should not have been told to "stfu", & I'm sorry if you were, but some Members seem unable to construct a reasonable, or even any, debate above that base level. Who on earth would pay attention to a debate constructed on that level, anyway?

[MANTIS01]

Loving the irony, not. You have high standards to maintain (I mean that genuinely) but this was not your finest effort this time, Sir.

There's a good bit of missing the point here, & I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Discuss & specualte on Gary Speed or anyone else as much as you wish, it's perfectly fine.

But, you know, a normal human being with a modicum of respect for others might just wait until the body is cold, & the poor chap has been laid to rest, right? THAT was why the Threads were split, & offence was caused. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

 

Yes Tony that is your opinion and I wouldn’t seek to deny you that opinion. Attitudes towards death differ markedly dependant upon many different factors and individual religions and attitudes so I would think carefully before I labelled you or anybody else disrespectful.

In this case the circumstances of his demise should be thoroughly investigated imo. If a death is criminally suspicious the police will start their investigations immediately because respect issues aren't as important as finding out what happened. The death of GS is not criminally suspicious but it is definitely a suspicious incident and so personally I don’t think it’s wise to delay asking these questions. I think it’s more respectful to pursuit it with vigour as soon as possible than to turn away and be silent, but that is just me.

I remember when Diana died in tragic circumstances and immediately people were challenging the press. I mean straight away on the night it happened people were asking questions about press involvement and did they cause her death. Diana's body wasn't cold but people felt so stunned and confused they wanted answers. Were all those people disrespectful to Diana and her memory?

I read a piece by Stan Collymore over the weekend who said he knew exactly how GS felt because he has been suicidal with depression. He recounted how he had been in bed for 5 weeks unable to move before he attempted suicide. Why is that story of mental illness linked to the death of GS who wasn’t in bed for 5 weeks with depression? The depression theory is just pure speculation by the media, but that is the sort of speculation people are seemingly fine with. I am not happy with that speculation and would like to speculate for an answer closer to the truth. Whether you agree with me or not is beside the point. That is my view and my posts on the subject were never once disrespectful to a man I admired greatly and had a lot of affection for. So for fellow Blonde members to be allowed to tell me to shut the fuck up and for my thoughts to be censored and for mods to label me disrespectful and distasteful is quite something. I refuse to believe you cannot see that.

But were the comments not removed and your thoughts re-instated?

No buddy I had a whole post removed because it was apparently distasteful. A mod was on thread at the time and left the flaming of me up for all to see. So I defended myself because I wasn't being disrespectful at all. Then I was tagged disrespectful by the mods and my opinions removed.

The Stan Collymore piece is a different one than that quoted and it was written after his death and is supposed to link in and explain his death. It was on the page after Lorraine Kelly wtf?? had written a piece entitled Gary couldn't beat the Blues. I mean c'mon I'm not the only one speculating. Anyway it's no big deal for me just saying.

[kinboshi]

Have you got a link to the subsequent piece?  Not too keen on what Lorraine Kelly has to say though!

[MANTIS01]

Have you got a link to the subsequent piece?  Not too keen on what Lorraine Kelly has to say though!

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/12/04/stan-collymore-only-my-mum-s-voice-stopped-me-taking-my-own-life-102039-23607829/

[kinboshi]

Have you got a link to the subsequent piece?  Not too keen on what Lorraine Kelly has to say though!

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/12/04/stan-collymore-only-my-mum-s-voice-stopped-me-taking-my-own-life-102039-23607829/

[Sheriff Fatman]

Then I was tagged disrespectful by the mods and my opinions removed.

Actually, a single mod (i.e. me) told you that he found your poste disrespectful and distasteful.  Your post, and the subsequent abusive posts, had been removed sometime prior to this.  The subsequent comments were only made in response to your public rant against the Mods team in general and were very clearly stated as being my opinions.  However, why bother letting facts get in the way when you're clearly on a roll?

To be clear, its worth pointing out that I thought the post was disrespectful to the OP, as you'd blatantly ignored his request in the thread not to speculate on it.  And yes, I found it distasteful for you to continue speculating on an emotive tribute thread, in the face of such requests being made.

And to clarify further, if this was just my personal opinion of your post and there'd been no adverse response to it, then there'd have been no action taken on it.  However, the fact that more than one person had already responded as they did demonstrated that it wasn't just me who felt that your post was inappropriate and deliberately provocative on that thread.  Consequently, all were removed from the thread - the abusive posts and the provocative one.

By the way, congratulations on your attempts so far to subsequently de-rail this thread from the debate you felt it was so important to have.

[MANTIS01]

Then I was tagged disrespectful by the mods and my opinions removed.

Actually, a single mod (i.e. me) told you that he found your poste disrespectful and distasteful.  Your post, and the subsequent abusive posts, had been removed sometime prior to this.  The subsequent comments were only made in response to your public rant against the Mods team in general and were very clearly stated as being my opinions.  However, why bother letting facts get in the way when you're clearly on a roll?

To be clear, its worth pointing out that I thought the post was disrespectful to the OP, as you'd blatantly ignored his request in the thread not to speculate on it.  And yes, I found it distasteful for you to continue speculating on an emotive tribute thread, in the face of such requests being made.

And to clarify further, if this was just my personal opinion of your post and there'd been no adverse response to it, then there'd have been no action taken on it.  However, the fact that more than one person had already responded as they did demonstrated that it wasn't just me who felt that your post was inappropriate and deliberately provocative on that thread.  Consequently, all were removed from the thread - the abusive posts and the provocative one.

By the way, congratulations on your attempts so far to subsequently de-rail this thread from the debate you felt it was so important to have.

I will of course answer your points sheriff. However, I would like the mods including you to know that when I post in the future I will do my best to respect your rules. In addition I have no real wish for some negative spiral debate with you guys.

Sheriff your post is quite sarcastic and provocative in itself but there you go. Every post I made prior to being told to shut the fuck up is still available for anybody to read. Point to the one which justifies personal abuse? I saw a mod viewing the thread and came back later to see the flaming hadn’t been moderated so sought to defend myself. My opinion is the comment should have been moderated before then. However, there are a few instances of people telling me to fuck off which weren’t moderated before so it appears you guys have a reasonable tolerance for this. I think I have explained my motivation for involvement, at some length actually, even though it was “beyond” you to understand, and it clearly isn’t to provoke trouble. Other people are looking to provoke trouble hence why other people flame. There is no flaming from me in any of those posts.

I don’t think I was guilty of a public rant against the Mods team. I said I figured it was possible to aspire to a greater level of consistency. This is pretty good feedback that you would do well to consider. I cited the Amy Winehouse thread to demonstrate how this was so. Perhaps it would be wise to contemplate the feedback rather than getting anxious. In addition saying you only posted the disrespectful and distasteful comments as response is quite provocative and argumentative itself don’t you think? The reason I used mods plural was because I thought you guys had some sort of consultation system with other mods before making decisions. I would say a single guy moderating on his own and deciding things on the behalf of an OP by using personal opinions and preferences explains why greater consistency is possible. And I don’t think a couple of reactionary posts either way should be compromising neutrality.

I have contributed significantly to the debate in this thread so perhaps you deserve the congratulations.

[George2Loose]

Barton is deffo a cock

[MANTIS01]

Barton is deffo a cock

distasteful

[George2Loose]

Barton is deffo a cock

distasteful

Sorry

Barton is deffo a c*ck