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[outragous76]

the problem is, if he isnt flushing, which he can play in both aggresive and passive ways, the guy has a pair.

When the turn pairs he should give up his 1 pair hands, but he doesnt. I think the way he has played the hand he has lots of 1 pair hands which he isnt folding by the river ("because i came this far").

I dont think the play is terrible, and I never stop barrelling. I just think a bad player calls often enough here to make this a bad play. Personally I ck turn as I still think he has a 77/88  8/9 9T type hand

[skolsuper]

Don't know why I'm bothering to post again itt since almost everything has been said and somehow people are still entrenched, but just to embellish on what lildave has posted slightly, it seems to me that the sort of fish that limp-call are the type that postpone all thought in a hand until either A) the river or B) someone is all in. This situation ticks both boxes and I think a lot of fish will change their minds and call turn fold river. Remember to a fish all in with anything less than top pair is a pretty massive hero call and they will often comment about "crazy" river calls that are totally obvious to anybody that is able to hand read. The same psychology that leads them to check call 2 streets and then make massive bluffs on total brick rivers lets them put in half their stack and then fold when nothing has really changed since they last called.

And as lildave says (I think) how value heavy is our range right now?? And before some ***** turns up and says "lol balance" (flushy), I mean it from a point of view of how our range looks, to make a hero call a fish has to put us on squarely on missed overs that we overraised out of the bb into a field of limpers and bet into 2 people on a raggy flop. This river shove just works so often imo. And remember this needs to work ONLY 35% OF THE TIME. There is also some % of the time where the fish has a busted A-high flush draw, and although we're ahead of smaller flush draws anyway, we're not going to be check-calling so if there's a chance that they will ever bluff with these then we can add those times onto the 'successful shove' pile too. So overall we only need to bluff them off a pair some microscopic % of the time to make a shove better than check folding.

[SuuPRlim]

the problem is, if he isnt flushing, which he can play in both aggresive and passive ways, the guy has a pair.

When the turn pairs he should give up his 1 pair hands, but he doesnt. I think the way he has played the hand he has lots of 1 pair hands which he isnt folding by the river ("because i came this far").

I dont think the play is terrible, and I never stop barrelling. I just think a bad player calls often enough here to make this a bad play. Personally I ck turn as I still think he has a 77/88  8/9 9T type hand

I mean you might be right from a vacuum POV (as in this specific guy prolly has a pair and will prolly call) but I don't see how we can reach these assumptions when we have the perfect "air" to triple barrell and we're making decent money on each street by betting. If i'm going to deviate from quite obviously (but not hugely) profitable spots I need more info than we have been giving here.