Really difficult decision vs Spantard

[MANTIS01]

What if I found a big bag of money abandoned somewhere? Blonde angels are saying I should hand it in to the police because somebody made the mistake of losing it.

Are you telling us what we're saying, or did someone actually say that? It's difficult for us to argue if you're going decide what our words and opinions are.

Also, Why are we 'blonde angels' just because we're doing what we think is the right thing? (Dubai called us boy scouts lol). Are you not also doing what you think is the right thing?

Does it make your point stronger if you give us a label that makes us sound a bit ridiculous?

Note: because text is such a difficult medium in some circumstances, let me make it clear that as far as I'm concerned, this is just light-hearted debate.

I'm smiling. 

You are Blonde angels because it amuses me to call you that and nothing more. I think the label is quite cute rather than ridiculous actually. From what I read it seemed like Blonde angels would hand in money they don't rightfully own whatever the circumstances. However, that was merely my perception. If you would keep money that isn't yours under certain circumstances you are free to elaborate. It would be interesting to hear what factors change something from black to white for you.

[SuuPRlim]

What if I found a big bag of money abandoned somewhere? Blonde angels are saying I should hand it in to the police because somebody made the mistake of losing it. I would disagree and say divine intervention, of which we know very little, has put this bag in my path and I should go on holiday in thanks. I don't like strict black & white judgments about moral integrity. Situations that question ethics are usually grey areas so people should be free to make judgement calls based on their own interpretation of an individual situation. I would rectify the mistake from a fellow player because a multitude of factors tell me it's the right thing to do. But a few years ago the bank sent me a cheque for £6k and then the next day they sent me another cheque for £6k by mistake. Did I rectify that mistake? Did I bollocks.

The money found in a bag on the street is a different concept altogether imo, because you have no obvious way of returning it to it's rightful owner (clearly the "right" thing to do if possible" then keeping it becomes way more likely - in fact, I'd quite likely keep it myself. If I found a wallet and it had someone's name in it or was easy enough to track the owner down, then returning it becomes (as far as i'm concerned) the only option.

So if there is no obvious way to identify the rightful owner you would decide it is yours to keep. Many people would say the police have a better chance of tracking down the rightful owner than you and it is not yours to keep. But for you easy identification is an important factor in the decision. The most important factor for me if I found a wallet would be how much I need the money. If my family were desperate at home because we couldn't pay the bills and there was no food in the fridge I would fist pump keep that money. If I was young, single, with no responsibilities, and plenty of money I would find it very easy to tell everyone I would always hand it in.

I think how much you need to the money should be of no concern personally, I mean it's obv hard to say as I don't have a family etc so have never been "desperate" for money so i guess if I were ever in that position where I needed to steal to feed my family then maybe my morales would change, that's certainly possible - and I guess quite probable but I really don't know... but the way I see it now is if it isn't my money it isn't my money and that's the end.

Thing is though, if you hand it in to the police or really have no idea how to get it to it's rightful owner (finding £100 at a cash machine for example) then you really may as well keep it /give it to charity as there is a high likelihood someone else is going to keep it.

I find the label "blonde angels" amusing also, it prompted an image of me, red-dog and co sitting round waiting for a phone to ring and we answer on speaker to here tikay say "Hello Angels" and then giving us some instructions of a do-good task that needs doing

[muckthenuts]

If that's true then it's truly mindblowing that they would cheat him so brazenly. I can totally understand why giving the money back would be a tough decision, though i reckon i'd sigh give it back as well.

[MANTIS01]

What if you could easily identify the wallet? On the one hand it's the little old lady's from over the road and on the other hand it's the drug dealer's next door who's broke into your house a couple of times. Would that factor change your view about returning the wallet? Each situation is unique and complex. It's important to note that however somebody acts in grey areas doesn't mean they don't have rock solid core priniciples in more obvious situations. For example I would steal the bag of money all day long, but I'd prefer to die than steal from my family.

[RED-DOG]

What if you could easily identify the wallet? On the one hand it's the little old lady's from over the road and on the other hand it's the drug dealer's next door who's broke into your house a couple of times. Would that factor change your view about returning the wallet? Each situation is unique and complex. It's important to note that however somebody acts in grey areas doesn't mean they don't have rock solid core priniciples in more obvious situations. For example I would steal the bag of money all day long, but I'd prefer to die than steal from my family.

I agree.

Almost anything is justifiable if you add enough caveats.

[bobAlike]

What if you knew a little child needed 10k for a life saving operation. You went and asked a rich bloke to donate, who declined. On the way out walikng down the rich blokes long drive you found a money bag with the rich blokes name on it. It just so happens that there's 10k in the bag.

Would you keep the dosh for yourself, give to childs operation or give it back to rich bloke???

[MANTIS01]

What if you could easily identify the wallet? On the one hand it's the little old lady's from over the road and on the other hand it's the drug dealer's next door who's broke into your house a couple of times. Would that factor change your view about returning the wallet? Each situation is unique and complex. It's important to note that however somebody acts in grey areas doesn't mean they don't have rock solid core priniciples in more obvious situations. For example I would steal the bag of money all day long, but I'd prefer to die than steal from my family.

I agree.

Almost anything is justifiable if you add enough caveats.

What caveats would you need to add?

[RED-DOG]

What if you could easily identify the wallet? On the one hand it's the little old lady's from over the road and on the other hand it's the drug dealer's next door who's broke into your house a couple of times. Would that factor change your view about returning the wallet? Each situation is unique and complex. It's important to note that however somebody acts in grey areas doesn't mean they don't have rock solid core priniciples in more obvious situations. For example I would steal the bag of money all day long, but I'd prefer to die than steal from my family.

I agree.

Almost anything is justifiable if you add enough caveats.

What caveats would you need to add?

How would you reply to the original question before the caveats?

The villain is Spanish, 50, has been quite loud all night and seems like hes been in the game for quite a while.

I give him 200e to top up my stack to the max. I think I heard him saying siette (seven) as I handed over the cash to him, but Spanish isn't my first language, so I thought I'd wait a while before making my decision.

As suspected, my read was correct and he brought me over 14 pink chips, (700e)

whats out line?

fwiw, we're stuck 700e at this point in the night.

[MANTIS01]

There are a multitude of factors in the original question which make it a very simple repayment. As for over payment at the casino. Just like any other unique situation the caveats/factors are all important. If it was my home casino I would correct the error. If I was in Vegas about to catch a taxi to the airport after doing my dough I wouldn't.

[RED-DOG]

There are a multitude of factors in the original question which make it a very simple repayment. As for over payment at the casino. Just like any other unique situation the caveats/factors are all important. If it was my home casino I would correct the error. If I was in Vegas about to catch a taxi to the airport after doing my dough I wouldn't.

Caveats aside, we are in agreement.

[MANTIS01]

Which is an important point. Our moral conviction to do the right thing is equally strong and equally deep in many core areas of life. But it appears you would apply stong moral conviction in areas where I would deem such conviction inappropriate, because of the caveats. Your moral conviction is no stronger or deeper than mine, it's just appears to be applied more liberally..

[SuuPRlim]

What if you knew a little child needed 10k for a life saving operation. You went and asked a rich bloke to donate, who declined. On the way out walikng down the rich blokes long drive you found a money bag with the rich blokes name on it. It just so happens that there's 10k in the bag.

Would you keep the dosh for yourself, give to childs operation or give it back to rich bloke???

kind of a ridiculous scenario, but at the same time you might have highlighted a reasonable spot where STEALING (and yes it is stealigng) has a bit of morale lenience.

I think the drastic nature of the situation you've suggested demonstrates really how the "difficult decision" in this thread really is like the simplest decision of them all.

[outragous76]

agree with red, cravats let you get away with loads of stuff, especially vs spaniards

[SuuPRlim]

If it was my home casino I would correct the error. If I was in Vegas about to catch a taxi to the airport after doing my dough I wouldn't.

So what you're saying is...

At your home casino, where you have a basic relationship with a lot of the staff (say hello how are you to the cashier, and know a lot of the dealers by names etc) you wouldn't correct a mistake that could potentially cost them their jobs, but in a vegas casino you'd happily leg it home and let a cashier whose name you don't know and have prolly spoken >12 words to lifetime take the brunt, likely sacked so you can pocket a grand or two?

[millidonk]

If it was my home casino I would correct the error. If I was in Vegas about to catch a taxi to the airport after doing my dough I wouldn't.

So what you're saying is...

At your home casino, where you have a basic relationship with a lot of the staff (say hello how are you to the cashier, and know a lot of the dealers by names etc) you wouldn't correct a mistake that could potentially cost them their jobs, but in a vegas casino you'd happily leg it home and let a cashier whose name you don't know and have prolly spoken >12 words to lifetime take the brunt, likely sacked so you can pocket a grand or two?

Should that read would correct a mistake?

If it was DTD where i play all the time, i wouldn't pocket it. If it was pretty much any other place in the UK then I am out the door. (with a pocket full of cash)

People might say a victim without a face is still a victim. If a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, it still makes a sound..