What is good BRM? Savings?

[AlunB]

I can't afford dem hoes no more.

Surely it can't be that easy to make £30k can it. Is it possible to teach old dogs new tricks?

Anybody playing full time should be able to make 30k. Obviously if you're playing nl2 it's not possible lok but less than 3k per month should be routine. You'd get that in rake back alone I you're playing close to work hours. I know guys who play nl10 to support their family on Bulgaria and make about 500per month excluding rakeback.

This is assuming the person is a solid winning player. Which is a ridiculous assumption. Hence it's not 'relatively easy' or 97% of poker players wouldn't be losers.

[AlunB]

Oh big congrats on the win btw. Don't think I've said congrats yet.

[scotty77]

I can't afford dem hoes no more.

Surely it can't be that easy to make £30k can it. Is it possible to teach old dogs new tricks?

Anybody playing full time should be able to make 30k. Obviously if you're playing nl2 it's not possible lok but less than 3k per month should be routine. You'd get that in rake back alone I you're playing close to work hours. I know guys who play nl10 to support their family on Bulgaria and make about 500per month excluding rakeback.

This is assuming the person is a solid winning player. Which is a ridiculous assumption. Hence it's not 'relatively easy' or 97% of poker players wouldn't be losers.

A breakeven player could prob earn 3/4k a month if they can play 8-10 tables and play 40 hours per week.

[AlunB]

Maybe I just know a lot more bad poker players than you guys, but what you just described is so far out of the reach of the vast majority of poker players it's not even funny.

[smashedagain]

It sounds far too good to be true but I don't doubt either Ryan or Patricks words.

[AlunB]

I don't doubt them either. I just disagree with that being 'relatively easy' for the average punter. I think maybe I misunderstood Pleno though. I think he was talking about relatively easy for someone who was already playing full time. Apologies if so.

[SuuPRlim]

I don't think it's easy to earn £30k a year at all, In fact beating poker has become so difficult imo.

True enough if you have a decent fundamental understanding of the game and are prepared to work and grind 40-50 hours per week with a good rakeback deal you should be able to make £2,000-£4,000 a month but it's really not that simple.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh it's not like you could take any kid on the dole and coach them for a few weeks and they'd snap be able to make £500/month at 10nl.

But if I went busto, I'm certain I'd be able to make a bowl/month grinding ssnl or hu sngs as would any decent player.

[scotty77]

Of course it isn't easy but I know that a lot of  average players who play just for rakeback.

Anyone with a decent understanding of the game and who can play lots of tables could easily achieve a couple of grand a month.  It requires playing like a robot but money is money.  John Black wouldn't approve tho :p

[NEWY]

Yeh it's not like you could take any kid on the dole and coach them for a few weeks and they'd snap be able to make £500/month at 10nl.

But if I went busto, I'm certain I'd be able to make a bowl/month grinding ssnl or hu sngs as would any decent player.

Hope this is not taken as me trying to be smart or clever but if u agree with pleno that 30k is "relatively easy" then y dont u jus do that. If ur horses did the same as I presume u see them as better than average then along with ur easy 30k ur spilt of ur horses easy 30k and ur annual Monte Carlo bink and live cash game wins u wud b on a very tidy "relatively easy" not too shabby small fortune. Like I said I mean no mocking just asking you cos I follow ur blog and really admire wot u do  and wud b interested in ur thoughts.

[millidonk]

It's because it's not relatively easy. Obv otherwise everyone would do it.

[NEWY]

Ps if anyone can prove it is relatively easy to make 30k. How much wud it cost to teach me to do it cos a "relatively easy" £30k a year wud seriously help mine and my kids lives. ty

pps. sooner the better school jus started and they need new shoes

[cambridgealex]

Yeh it's not like you could take any kid on the dole and coach them for a few weeks and they'd snap be able to make £500/month at 10nl.

But if I went busto, I'm certain I'd be able to make a bowl/month grinding ssnl or hu sngs as would any decent player.

Hope this is not taken as me trying to be smart or clever but if u agree with pleno that 30k is "relatively easy" then y dont u jus do that. If ur horses did the same as I presume u see them as better than average then along with ur easy 30k ur spilt of ur horses easy 30k and ur annual Monte Carlo bink and live cash game wins u wud b on a very tidy "relatively easy" not too shabby small fortune. Like I said I mean no mocking just asking you cos I follow ur blog and really admire wot u do  and wud b interested in ur thoughts.

Not sure I understand the question. "Why don't I just do that?" you said. Well, er, I do? Sorry if i've misunderstood.

[pleno1]

I could pick over 50 people from real life, if they gave me their dedication and put 100pc of their time into it then I'm pretty certain over 40 would be able to do it.

The reason it doesn't work is because of commitment or time.

Im pretty sure for example that anybody that's played high level gaming could be taught easily to beat the games, with all due respect, nl100 and to some extent nl200 are very easy limits to beat the usual reasons nlfor not beating the game are psychological. See John black, he can play well for 70pc
Of the time but just had this huge boulder in the way to make him spew for the other 20pc. If it was his full time job and he depended on it it would be a different story and this ATM he is struggling to beat nl10.

Simple factor is that people just don't have the time to put into it which is obvious. I work for the second biggest poker site in the world after stars and we operate in 19 languages, in countries such as Bulgaria and Romania not working and playin nl10:25 is seen as v v good and they regularly make decent amounts to support their family and usually education.

I started staking people last year with the hope that somebody would rise through and be in a place with almost all of them the main problem has been time or psychological, mainly because they don't play full time.

Trading companies regularly advertise for apprentices, I wonder if I put an advert out for an intern to come and work for me as a professional poker play where I housed/fed/trained then how much response I would get, it would be interesting if those graduates from good universities would be interested.

Watch this space!

[NEWY]

Yeh it's not like you could take any kid on the dole and coach them for a few weeks and they'd snap be able to make £500/month at 10nl.

But if I went busto, I'm certain I'd be able to make a bowl/month grinding ssnl or hu sngs as would any decent player.

Hope this is not taken as me trying to be smart or clever but if u agree with pleno that 30k is "relatively easy" then y dont u jus do that. If ur horses did the same as I presume u see them as better than average then along with ur easy 30k ur spilt of ur horses easy 30k and ur annual Monte Carlo bink and live cash game wins u wud b on a very tidy "relatively easy" not too shabby small fortune. Like I said I mean no mocking just asking you cos I follow ur blog and really admire wot u do  and wud b interested in ur thoughts.

Not sure I understand the question. "Why don't I just do that?" you said. Well, er, I do? Sorry if i've misunderstood.

I presumed pleno was referencing easy £30k online. I know u do very well live but I didnt think from the limited info available you were doing great online (not suggesting ur bad jus thought u were slightly up on some sites and slightly down on others) ie not making the "easy 30k" Also thought ur horses were in make up. My point being if it is "relatively easy" then you wud be a lock to do it so y not jus do that and teach your horses to  do same and added with ur live success = easy life. If you and ur horses are making an easy £30k then I apologise for my ignorance and congratulate u all and will stfu. If someone like ureslf (who I consider a very good player) and ur horses are not making "relatively easy " £30k a year then this suggests as I 1st thought it is not easy at all. hope this is less confusing ... prob not but eh oh!