Jimmy Saville

[kinboshi]

Obviously not everybody found not guilty is innocent and vice versa but there has to be a point at which we accept that due process has been carried out and as a country that accepts the rule of law we might not like certain decisions but we should still abide by and respect them.  Perhaps you are right about complainants but there does seem to be a minority that use their ability to ruin peoples reputations as capital to either make money or gain revenge and that, in itself, should be a criminal act.

Obviously agree that the accused shouldnt be named in public until they are found guilty.

No I mean someone who has been found not guilty is guilty but there isn't enough evidence to convict them.

If there's not enough evidence to convict, then we have to assume innocence. 

I agree that there should be anonymity until they're actually charged.  However, there are issues with this but in the present day with the internet, media (especially social media) and how much an innocent person can suffer, the innocent need protecting.

However, there are far more victims of sexual assault who don't/won't/can't press charges than there are people falsely accused of sexual assault.  Same goes for domestic violence.

[kinboshi]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11323146/Thatcher-confidant-raped-boy-and-police-covered-crime-up.html

[Kmac84]

This whole thing stinks.  the establishment is upto its knees in this. 

I think the ongoing operation should be handed over to someone outside the Met to deal with, they seem at best icompetent in this whole debacle. 

[AndrewT]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

[Kmac84]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

A convenient death?

[tikay]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

A convenient death?

Quite a stretch of the imagination to suggest dying of cancer is "convenient".

I'd find it a tad inconvenient, to be honest.

[TightEnd]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

A convenient death?

I have no association with Mr Brittain whatsoever, but i find this pretty offensive

He died today ffs

[AndrewT]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

A convenient death?

The guy was 75 and had cancer for several months - it's not a Dr David Kelly level of oddness that he dies now.

[The Camel]

It'll be interesting how fulsome people will be in their praise of Leon Brittan, lest they be Saviled at a later date.

A convenient death?

I have no association with Mr Brittain whatsoever, but i find this pretty offensive

He died today ffs

I suggest you don't look at Twitter for the next couple of days.

This is extremely mild compared to some things I've seen written about him in the last couple of hours.

[TightEnd]

I know it is, have seen some of it

we don't have to compare to complete idiots on social media, a moderated forum can hold itself to a higher standard than causing offence

(off pompous horse now)

[Kmac84]

Offensive, get a grip ffs. 

I simply posed a question. I could have said he was one of the most obnoxious and reactionary of the Thatcherites too, an absolute bastard. He'll be joining Thatcher, Saville, Cyril Smith and the rest of the beasts in hell

Now that I could understand you taking offence to, but its true.

[The Camel]

Offensive, get a grip ffs.  

I simply posed a question. I could have said he was one of the most obnoxious and reactionary of the Thatcherites too, an absolute bastard. He'll be joining Thatcher, Saville, Cyril Smith and the rest of the beasts in hell

Now that I could understand you taking offence to, but its true.

Are you Jason Herbert's long lost Scottish cousin?

There's a subtle hint in Tighty's post.

Which you've either missed, ignored or gloried in flouting.

[Kmac84]

Who?

[david3103]

Offensive, get a grip ffs. 

I simply posed a question. I could have said he was one of the most obnoxious and reactionary of the Thatcherites too, an absolute bastard. He'll be joining Thatcher, Saville, Cyril Smith and the rest of the beasts in hell

Now that I could understand you taking offence to, but its true.

Tiresomely offensive.

[The Camel]

Who?

Herbie "smashedagain".