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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 02:59:34 PM »

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man Wink

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

They don't shouldn't exploit their stacks vs the one guy at the table that can reduce them to a bowl and has already shown strength in the hand.

your getting it wrong! What hand can hero proceed with? He wants to fold the nuts!

If villain WANTS to exploit someone its the guy who is locked up! There arent too mnay stacks locked up on this table except heroes



But if villain was going to exploit his stack size with a range from 72+ surely he'd have done it preflop not now when he's already seen that hero has some sort of hand?
We're giving villain a huge amount of credit here if we think he's capable of making this move with anything other than a hand that could be the same as ours (possibly freerolling a spade draw) or a hand that could beat ours with a spade or a paired board. First rule of satellites this close to the seats is don't put yourself in a spot like this.


no no no! difficult to get people off AA pre flop

Not so difficult on a 9TJssx board on the bubble of a satty whe the guy has a seat locked
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 03:03:21 PM »

Oh and please let the villain have AJss in this hand for roffles
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2013, 04:15:52 PM »

Why on earth would a big stack who has pretty much got a seat locked up want to exploit anyone? Let alone to try doing this with 72o vs a player with a stack size that can actually jeapordise his almost guaranteed seat. He has no need to do anything like this. To think that he has 100% of hands here is just weird.
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 04:18:05 PM »

Why on earth would a big stack who has pretty much got a seat locked up want to exploit anyone? Let alone to try doing this with 72o vs a player with a stack size that can actually jeapordise his almost guaranteed seat. He has no need to do anything like this. To think that he has 100% of hands here is just weird.

Just for rofls? Pretty sure Guy would do it. I've seen him raising or calling pretty much 100% when he's got loads of chips.

You could ask the same question or the hero as well. Why on earth is he trying to steal the blinds with AJo? Makes no sense.
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 04:18:41 PM »

Why on earth would a big stack who has pretty much got a seat locked up want to exploit anyone? Let alone to try doing this with 72o vs a player with a stack size that can actually jeapordise his almost guaranteed seat. He has no need to do anything like this. To think that he has 100% of hands here is just weird.

Stu

Have you never watched billy big bollocks play every hand?

It's is good strategy to not play hands, but I could load up 3 random sattys tonight and I guarantee someone will be bashing it up
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 04:20:10 PM »

Why on earth would a big stack who has pretty much got a seat locked up want to exploit anyone? Let alone to try doing this with 72o vs a player with a stack size that can actually jeapordise his almost guaranteed seat. He has no need to do anything like this. To think that he has 100% of hands here is just weird.

Just for rofls? Pretty sure Guy would do it. I've seen him raising or calling pretty much 100% when he's got loads of chips.

You could ask the same question or the hero as well. Why on earth is he trying to steal the blinds with AJo? Makes no sense.


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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 04:20:16 PM »

This is all very silly.

If the big stack has  then he should just fold preflop surely?

If we get JJ surely we should just fold it OTB as well? I guess we should go 6k/call with AA/KK/(?QQ?) against the 35k stack and 6k/fold EVERYTHING against the 85k, even aces?



He should but he won't. I'm glad he won't because that would mean he's good and then the value would disappear from these lovely sats.

Everything you say looks spot on to me. That's what we should do because it'd be correct. Hopefully plenty of others won't though.
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 04:22:49 PM »

...and they certainly don't in the DTD deepstack sats!
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