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[SuuPRlim]

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

by not having air I dont mean i can't be bluffing, I abso can be, but I cant have a complete airball, it is actually almost impossible (the way i play it is actually 100% impossible)

I'd never check call the flop with 77 or worse, or 78 or A3etc, every other random chk/call hand on the flop no matter how thin either has a straight or a pair by the river. I wouldn't expect everyone to think this but I expected Tom to think it, as he did by correctly deducing that OTR 88 can never be the best hand, and he's right it 100% can't be.

It's not a level either it's just straight up fact i have something on the river 100% of the time (might be as weak as T8) but I have some sort of connection always.

[SuuPRlim]

basically i have a hand that could consider CALLING 100% of the time on the river.

[MANTIS01]

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

by not having air I dont mean i can't be bluffing, I abso can be, but I cant have a complete airball, it is actually almost impossible (the way i play it is actually 100% impossible)

I'd never check call the flop with 77 or worse, or 78 or A3etc, every other random chk/call hand on the flop no matter how thin either has a straight or a pair by the river. I wouldn't expect everyone to think this but I expected Tom to think it, as he did by correctly deducing that OTR 88 can never be the best hand, and he's right it 100% can't be.

It's not a level either it's just straight up fact i have something on the river 100% of the time (might be as weak as T8) but I have some sort of connection always.

ok sweet. If we know everything got there and on top of that you sometimes bluff how effective is our own bluff attempt on the river ever gonna be? I mean you c/r wit straight on paired suited board, so what % of your made range can we expect you to just check fold?

Also if you flip and have the 8-8 how do you play it?

[SuuPRlim]

mmmmm was thinking about this hand in the shower (I know watch more porn etc) but I realised is a straight flush! haha silly me.

ok sweet. If we know everything got there and on top of that you sometimes bluff how effective is our own bluff attempt on the river ever gonna be? I mean you c/r wit straight on paired suited board, so what % of your made range can we expect you to just check fold?

Also if you flip and have the 8-8 how do you play it?

Well IDK really lol, my bluff was purely to try fold out Qx and AQ and maybe a small flush (think this makes up the vast majority of his river Value-betting range) obviously he's capable of betting thinner than that for value and ofc, bluffing which means I'm going to win the pot on those occasions anyway. I thought he'd jam this river precisely 0% of the time (unless he somehow gets there with KK)

What % of my range would chk/fold, well there's another interesting question. I guess not as much as you'd first think, which is why I thought the hand would go chk/chk a lot of the time, What i'd do with AK/Tx/Jx I imagine i'd very likely fold all those hands although there is a definite school of thought which will say AK/KJ are better hands to bluff with than the hand I had, although I'm not sure I agree.

How I'd have played, I'd prolly have checked the flop back and fold the turn when I inevitably lead, not 100% sure I'd have bluffed the river as played, although its a good play as he does have all sorts of value betting hands in his range by the river.

Interesting to hear whether Tom would have folded / Qx / AQ he did think for a while on the river.

[outragous76]

dont believe him, he called a 3 bet and donked flop vs me so he must be terrible apparently ! 

[SuuPRlim]

Haha yh, another spazzy piece of button clickery that went my way

[TL900]

Interesting to hear whether Tom would have folded / Qx / AQ he did think for a while on the river.

don't think so, I felt like your value range was solely KK/TT/99 tbh, and I also think you would bet TT atleast 50% of the time otf because as you said Im gona float a dec % of the time on this board. Definitely didn't expect you to show up with a straight or a flush too often.

But I did think you could yourself be turning a better hand than mine into a bluff as I said at the time. Im probably just overthinking the whole hand and its not that interesting at all tbh.

[SuuPRlim]

guess that makes my play bad then.

I honestly thought you'd fold Qx and AQ pretty much everytime, wasn't sure about a flush but i dont think you have many flushes.

[EvilPie]

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

Look at the board. What air hand can he possibly have?

[paulhouk03]

medium weak tho

[MANTIS01]

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

Look at the board. What air hand can he possibly have?

 

[SuuPRlim]

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

Look at the board. What air hand can he possibly have?