DTD March £150,000 GTD £300 Deepstack + Online Day 1A

[DTD-Nick.W]

Didn't want to derail the updates thread, but I think it is really really bad precedent to have people starting in the money on day 2, prior to prizepools being announced.

No one had the opportunity to play the bubble correctly, people could have made horrific icm errors without being aware, the big stacks get no advantage

Can Dtd make a clear statement about future months please.

Thanks

Hi outragous76

i do agree this month was a little strange we usually have the payout fixed after 7.15pm Saturday however for one reason or another this didint happen and i apologise to all the players.

Next month as usual the payout will go up after Saturdays late reg.

thanks for your comments

[outragous76]

Didn't want to derail the updates thread, but I think it is really really bad precedent to have people starting in the money on day 2, prior to prizepools being announced.

No one had the opportunity to play the bubble correctly, people could have made horrific icm errors without being aware, the big stacks get no advantage

Can Dtd make a clear statement about future months please.

Thanks

Hi outragous76

i do agree this month was a little strange we usually have the payout fixed after 7.15pm Saturday however for one reason or another this didint happen and i apologise to all the players.

Next month as usual the payout will go up after Saturdays late reg.

thanks for your comments

Nick, surely a pay structure should be published prior to day 1 ideally - otherwise - as with the point i made in another thread people playing 1a are hugely disadvantaged if people playing 1c effectvely know they have made the cash going into day 2. There could also be a scenario where there is no bubble on day 1a and  1b but a bubble on 1c?

[DTD-Nick.W]

This is our standard payout -

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/tournamentpayout.php

For 500+ runner events we use a manual payout which we post its always between 10% - 15% of the field

I don't think we will get into a situation where we pay all day2 unless we mess with the structure to be honest.

We do our best to get the info to the players ASAP.

[david3103]

In any tournament with multiple Day Ones if it's known that X% of the field get paid before the tournament starts then aren't you always at risk of one of the early days reducing to below that % and still not knowing whether that means you've cashed?

Playing 16 levels on Day 1 is always going to get it close to or past the bubble on the early days when people will take gambles knowing they can re-enter so
With 12% paid
150 entrants on Day 1a might realistically reduce to 16 <12%
200 entrants on Day 1b might then reduce to 20 <12%
250 entrants on Day 1c might reduce to 40 >12% and the total through to Day 2 is 76 which is also >12%

Not sure if you can say there's a bubble point until you know how many have entered in total even if you know the pay out table

[smashedagain]

Yeah Guy what do you suggest they do. You always get one person not happy. How are you supposed to know how many players are going to get paid until you know the final numbers.

Eg.  Dtd payouts are 12% and you go out 12/100 the last hand day 1a. Do you expect Dtd to pay you a min cash? Its totally un workable.

Everyone should know the Dtd structure when they enter the comp but obv they can't post the actuall payouts and numbers until after day 1c entries are confirmed. You know that if you go through the online comp you have a decent chance of making the money. I don't see the problem.

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are moaning at I am gonna guess you went out near the end of the day

[outragous76]

Please fee free to tell me of any WSOP multi day event where the bubble was reached thru day 1 ( I'll save you time, it's never happend, and the one time it nearly did there was much flapping  within a very experienced TD team).

The bubble is a fundamental point of any tournament, both for the big stacks to make hay and short stacks to not make icm errors

The structure can easily be designed to ensure the bubble isn't reached prior to day 2. There could be a freak occurance where you breach this, but it certainly should be the exception and not the rule.

Not sure why you don't understand the significance of this Jason/David

[Doobs]

Please fee free to tell me of any WSOP multi day event where the bubble was reached thru day 1 ( I'll save you time, it's never happend, and the one time it nearly did there was much flapping  within a very experienced TD team).

The bubble is a fundamental point of any tournament, both for the big stacks to make hay and short stacks to not make icm errors

The structure can easily be designed to ensure the bubble isn't reached prior to day 2. There could be a freak occurance where you breach this, but it certainly should be the exception and not the rule.

Not sure why you don't understand the significance of this Jason/David

The above is incorrect.  The bubble burst day 1 of at least one WSOP event last year.

[MC]

Please fee free to tell me of any WSOP multi day event where the bubble was reached thru day 1 ( I'll save you time, it's never happend, and the one time it nearly did there was much flapping  within a very experienced TD team).

The bubble is a fundamental point of any tournament, both for the big stacks to make hay and short stacks to not make icm errors

The structure can easily be designed to ensure the bubble isn't reached prior to day 2. There could be a freak occurance where you breach this, but it certainly should be the exception and not the rule.

Not sure why you don't understand the significance of this Jason/David

The above is incorrect.  The bubble burst day 1 of at least one WSOP event last year.

In a multi day event?

[outragous76]

Please fee free to tell me of any WSOP multi day event where the bubble was reached thru day 1 ( I'll save you time, it's never happend, and the one time it nearly did there was much flapping  within a very experienced TD team).

The bubble is a fundamental point of any tournament, both for the big stacks to make hay and short stacks to not make icm errors

The structure can easily be designed to ensure the bubble isn't reached prior to day 2. There could be a freak occurance where you breach this, but it certainly should be the exception and not the rule.

Not sure why you don't understand the significance of this Jason/David

The above is incorrect.  The bubble burst day 1 of at least one WSOP event last year.

No it didn't

And even if it had what's your point? I quite clearly state it should be an exception if it occurs

[Doobs]

Please fee free to tell me of any WSOP multi day event where the bubble was reached thru day 1 ( I'll save you time, it's never happend, and the one time it nearly did there was much flapping  within a very experienced TD team).

The bubble is a fundamental point of any tournament, both for the big stacks to make hay and short stacks to not make icm errors

The structure can easily be designed to ensure the bubble isn't reached prior to day 2. There could be a freak occurance where you breach this, but it certainly should be the exception and not the rule.

Not sure why you don't understand the significance of this Jason/David

The above is incorrect.  The bubble burst day 1 of at least one WSOP event last year.

No it didn't

And even if it had what's your point? I quite clearly state it should be an exception if it occurs

Probably best to stop digging.  Happened in the ante only event I played.

[outragous76]

The ante up event had 1 day 1 but feel free to keep trolling

So what's your point regarding the question at hand?

[smashedagain]

The ante up event had 1 day 1 but feel free to keep trolling

So what's your point regarding the question at hand?

hey hang on Guy. Doobs ain't trolling. Its you that's moaning for moaning sake.
Dtd have the structure just about spot on for online and live. Fair enough its getting pretty close to the money now so might cause problems with one or possibly two people who go out day 1 and think they are entitled to have cashed. Everyone moaned about the levels being a bit too long online so Dtd reduced them. Afaik day 1a mirrored 1b and there are always advantages to playing 1a or 1c and you just pay your money and take your chance. Dtd are fully open about the prize payouts and I don't really see the problem. They have declared that they would like to pay everyone on day 2 in the future and when this happens more problems might arise.

The way your post comes across seems to insinuate Dtd are not being completely above board. Everyone who is playing should know the situation.

guy I may have got the wrong end of the stick. Sorry. Looks like you are complaining about an incident on Day 2..... I thought you were complaining about another situation that someone was on about on my table


They were saying that someone had gone out of the online day 1a either this time or last time inside the 12%. Don't know if they actually did or not but I said that they should not be paid because after day 1c the %age of the total field going into day two was 15%

[outragous76]

Jason

Ive got no idea what your post is on about ?

If doobs isn't trolling he can discuss the point at hand can't he

With regard to pay structure and bubble, if you think it's irrelevant then it's shows your lack of comprehension of tournament poker that you don't even believe its worth discussing

Not that it's got anything to do with you, but tighty very kindly emailed nick on my behalf yesterday, nick has addressed some of my concerns, I was just posing another query!

I haven't for 1 second suggested there is anything under hand. I am just seeking clarification. It will affect which day I choose to play, dependant upon their decision. Part of this is reflected in a historic suggestion of "wanting to pay everyone who makes day 2", which as I have also expressed is, I believe, a bad idea.

[smashedagain]

Think I got the wrong end of stick Guy and said sorry.

Why would Doobs be trolling. That's never been an accusation levelled at him before. I don't know if you have previous with him or grimmed him but he is pretty sound ain't he?

Your posts just look a bit moaning for moaning sake.

[smashedagain]

I just looked back Guy.... Min cash £600 and 62 players paid out. As in keeping with what is the normal pay out. How did you not know this???

Febuary min cash was £600 and paid 64 because field had a few more runners.

I also think paying day 2 would be a bad idea an cause problems. But then again a lot of Dtd's ideas have seen ludicrous at first but they have often turned out to be genius and imitated by the competition making poker in the UK better all round.