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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 12:52:03 AM » |
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we have a bluffcatcher and he's done two nutted live things in one hand..
- 4bt pre (any position is nutted until proved otherwise)
- raised the turn (people just dont bluff enough in these spots)
looks like an easy bet/fold for me.. when he's on our right, if he's going to try this once and orbit... gl to him. abuse him the other 7/8 hands! how much do you prpose we bet? If I get to the turn like this (would sometimes, would've clicked pre again some% also) Then im betting 65-85, dont expect to ever get raise abused with that sizing (however as pfr I would do that sometimes - ckb air and click any turn lead) Vs the majority of 'normal' villains here, i probably do one of the following - bet 65-85 Ott and cc <140 on bricks looks like a stab/ give up - cc turn and cc <100/ 140 Looks like Ax at best, should induce - chk turn lead river for 125 in 5 or 2 chip format. Looks like a stab Thoughts? |
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2013, 01:00:10 AM » |
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The point I'm making is that by the time you make any meaningful bet on the river you simply can't fold because he has 200 back
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2013, 01:03:12 AM » |
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The point I'm making is that by the time you make any meaningful bet on the river you simply can't fold because he has 200 back
On phone so tough to see stack sizes, but if i have a bluff catcher (effectively what this is imo) i will happily bet 110 and fold to a shove of 200 total. He's not bluffing with worse... Its just burning money to bet/ call AQ there. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2013, 01:05:50 AM » |
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The point I'm making is that by the time you make any meaningful bet on the river you simply can't fold because he has 200 back
On phone so tough to see stack sizes, but if i have a bluff catcher (effectively what this is imo) i will happily bet 110 and fold to a shove of 200 total. He's not bluffing with worse... Its just burning money to bet/ call AQ there. You don't have to bet fold! And folding Aq for 90 more into a 700 pot is a disaster |
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2013, 01:08:43 AM » |
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The point I'm making is that by the time you make any meaningful bet on the river you simply can't fold because he has 200 back
On phone so tough to see stack sizes, but if i have a bluff catcher (effectively what this is imo) i will happily bet 110 and fold to a shove of 200 total. He's not bluffing with worse... Its just burning money to bet/ call AQ there. Yeh course you would. You'd show it too so everyone can go batshit |
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2013, 04:52:38 AM » |
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An easy bet fold?? There's over £400 in the pot and villain has £200 behind. Your going to bet £100? And fold when he shoves losing only to AA?
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2013, 04:59:34 AM » |
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So I checked...and villain insta checked behind with the flopped nuts KJ. Did he miss a bet here? He had a half pot stack shove behind. Should be pull the trigger? I was surprised he checked, unless he put me on AQ exactly then surely I am going all in on the turn with AA/QQ/TT over his £158 raise?
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2013, 05:00:14 AM » |
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So I checked...and villain insta checked behind with the flopped nuts KJ. Did he miss a bet here? He had a half pot stack shove behind. Should he pull the trigger? I was surprised he checked, unless he put me on AQ exactly then surely I am going all in on the turn with AA/QQ/TT over his £158 raise?
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2013, 05:15:19 AM » |
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So I checked...and villain insta checked behind with the flopped nuts KJ. Did he miss a bet here? He had a half pot stack shove behind. Should he pull the trigger? I was surprised he checked, unless he put me on AQ exactly then surely I am going all in on the turn with AA/QQ/TT over his £158 raise?
Think about it in his spot though. He has pulled the trigger and with his heart in his mouth, after seeing you've called he has flopped the joint, the nuts, the whole shbang. His heartrate has increased, his pupils dilated slightly and he straightens up in his seat just a touch. Then you check and he checks. His mind has slightly clouded at this point and he has reverted back to his basic poker instincts, nuts= check... His mind races as he watches you tank on the turn. All he can think about is Vegas and the fucking mirage. All he can think about is stacking a huge pot having pulled the trigger preflop. The river card descends slowly in our villain's eyes. He agonises and the fateful river is dealt. A pair up. His thoughts of stacking stupid tourists for a massive pot with rolled up aces into kings disapear. His anger and pain blind the thought of betting for value,, his heart has gone. |
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2013, 05:15:51 AM » |
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Ask him if he cuts up cows for a living.
Cause he fkin butchered that hand
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2013, 07:18:16 AM » |
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Recreational players will often check flop and raise turn with the flopped nizzles. I see this all the time at both micros online and 50/1 1/1 live.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 08:39:23 AM » |
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Recreational players will often check flop and raise turn with the flopped nizzles. I see this all the time at both micros online and 50/1 1/1 live.
That's exactly what I said... He has independantly done two things that are nutty inone hand = NUTS! He 4bt pre.. - doesn't have to be nutty but often is. He's combo check flop IP and raised turn... Bad players barell in bad spots as bluffs... They dont start checking and raising as a bluff. Its a super easy bet/fold otr getting 5-1 with the best bluffcatcher. The majority of people won't have AT pre, so we lose to TT/ QQ/ AA, potentially chopping with AQ. Saying I have to call for pot odds seems weak in these spots. Id be tanking TT to a raise Tbh, probably meh fold and not diary it. |
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 08:41:06 AM » |
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And dont fold face up.. Its a joke.
I try to not turn my cards over... I have done a couple of times recently with nice friendly businessmen types in the pot who I want to create a relationship with. Its worked as well.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 08:55:11 AM » |
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you want to b/call turn and bet river guys? wtf lol
so much nonsense itt, call turn and c/decide river.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 09:06:38 AM » |
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you want to b/call turn and bet river guys? wtf lol
so much nonsense itt, call turn and c/decide river.
this. some crazy responses itt |
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