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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 04:50:03 PM »

This is just one of those spots, Alex has made a good 3bet and the reason it's a good 3bet is because it's not worth your time defending against it with a hand as strong as 77, he might have 79s but w/e well played its ok to be bluffed from time to time.
Works both ways thoooooooo

no it doesn't, in this spot. because alex has got the leverage. (cba to look back at stacks but assume 4b/folding 77 wouldn't be that great here)
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 08:19:22 PM »

This is just one of those spots, Alex has made a good 3bet and the reason it's a good 3bet is because it's not worth your time defending against it with a hand as strong as 77, he might have 79s but w/e well played its ok to be bluffed from time to time.
Works both ways thoooooooo

no it doesn't, in this spot. because alex has got the leverage. (cba to look back at stacks but assume 4b/folding 77 wouldn't be that great here)

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you have a pretty profitable jam here imo. there's 30,200 in there and you're jamming 125k. I know it's loads of bbs but the pot is swelled by the sb peel so my 3bet is kinda big (7.2bbs). Whether it's worth it in this tournament with all the value elsewhere is debatable, probs a fold and don't tell me what you had situation Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 09:08:42 PM »

stick it in both of his eyes, its more than just about one hand!
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 10:51:41 PM »

Eyeballing this aaaaalllll day long

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 03:03:19 AM »

Lok to the sky and fold checking out the valet behind you or look at the dealer and announce that you would like to wager them all. Both seem fine.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2013, 10:28:49 AM »

You cant fold.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2013, 11:02:23 AM »

 

Seriously not folding this hand vs this maniac  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 11:18:28 AM »

I am 99% certain I could prove going all-in won't make you money, but I know nothing about tournaments so could obviously be wrong.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 11:35:55 AM »

Go on dave. Prove it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 11:43:28 AM »

In a vacuum probably just ship it.

If you have a history of going after each other, probably 4b call, as I know Alex is shipping any hand containing a 2 in my face.
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2013, 12:12:22 PM »

Go on dave. Prove it.

I started out doing it, am pretty convinced I'm right but cba this time Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 12:40:41 PM »

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    62.794%     62.60%    00.19%          66462026       201698.00   { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1:    37.206%     37.02%    00.19%          39297426       201698.00   { 7d7h }

Villain must fold at least 45% of the time.

Input: Effective:$113800/Hero equity: 37%/ Current Potisze: $29900/ Facing bet$17200

We give Alex 30 combos of pairs and 32 combos of none pairs. 62 combos for value. So we need to find say 62 bluff combos here to have a decent roi.

Thats only A9-A2s

Don't really want to speculate or ask Goulder on exact ranges but he has to have enough bluff combos here even if he gives Tom a lot of respect. Its +Cev for sure.







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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2013, 01:44:56 PM »

I am 99% certain I could prove going all-in won't make you money, but I know nothing about tournaments so could obviously be wrong.

Pairs have so much equity as ranges expand even a little beyond legit value. If you can be certain that villain has a bluffing range in this spot then its pretty much always always gunna be a jam.


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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2013, 04:12:06 PM »

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    62.794%     62.60%    00.19%          66462026       201698.00   { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1:    37.206%     37.02%    00.19%          39297426       201698.00   { 7d7h }

Villain must fold at least 45% of the time.

Input: Effective:$113800/Hero equity: 37%/ Current Potisze: $29900/ Facing bet$17200

We give Alex 30 combos of pairs and 32 combos of none pairs. 62 combos for value. So we need to find say 62 bluff combos here to have a decent roi.

Thats only A9-A2s

Don't really want to speculate or ask Goulder on exact ranges but he has to have enough bluff combos here even if he gives Tom a lot of respect. Its +Cev for sure.


Proves nothing Adam, sorry to say. You make chips ofc you do not disputing that but I think you make no MONEY by going all in here.
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2013, 05:06:56 PM »

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    62.794%     62.60%    00.19%          66462026       201698.00   { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1:    37.206%     37.02%    00.19%          39297426       201698.00   { 7d7h }

Villain must fold at least 45% of the time.

Input: Effective:$113800/Hero equity: 37%/ Current Potisze: $29900/ Facing bet$17200

We give Alex 30 combos of pairs and 32 combos of none pairs. 62 combos for value. So we need to find say 62 bluff combos here to have a decent roi.

Thats only A9-A2s

Don't really want to speculate or ask Goulder on exact ranges but he has to have enough bluff combos here even if he gives Tom a lot of respect. Its +Cev for sure.


Proves nothing Adam, sorry to say. You make chips ofc you do not disputing that but I think you make no MONEY by going all in here.

As in the +cev of the jam doesnt meet our longterm roi? Would poss agree on that as Tom is v.good and comp can be very soft at this stage but dont hate too much. After all, an in your eye spot early on might prevent Alex/others from getting too frisky and we can avoid any close spots after this. I think in theory it is prob best to take the first closest spot for image concerns esp as it may be closer to -$ev later.
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