Sky 30NL, J9 sooooooted

[Honeybadger]

I agree with you Melissa.

[pleno1]

Here is mz standard open range from utg



Here is how I would plaz vs a mp 3bet




CO 3bet



BTN 3bet



sb 3bet



BB 3bet



Should be fine.

[kano]

Thanks for the charts, Pleno. Forgive me for being a little slow, but what do the colours correspond to? Call/Raise/Fold?

[pleno1]

first chart obv open

rest are yellow is peel, blue is 4bf, orange is get it in.

gets cool when we get to other positions.

say another position and ill post.

[rfgqqabc]

Why are we 3/folding AQ @ 30nl? Surely just flat if we 3/f?

Peel AQ 3bet KJ instead?

[pleno1]

We don't 3bet anything as we are utg.

Ducy?

[kano]

Cool, makes sense. Can we see CO next?

[rfgqqabc]

We don't 3bet anything as we are utg.

Ducy?

Yes

[pleno1]

co


Opening range:



vs UTG



VS mp



vs button 3b



vs sb 3bet



vs bb 3bet

[jgcblack]

Like Honeybadger says, this is not a standard UTG open.

And tbh even the best winning regs are probably not actually winning much (longterm) from opening something as weak as J9s.

Interesting that Pat says he would open it as he told me his UTG range was 77+, AJs+, KQs+ as most of our profit at these stakes is not from UTG.  It's going to be from late position hands played well, stealing, restealing and bombing off weak ranges vs people that peel pre and flop weakly.

Giving me hasstle for something I may or may have not done live is clearly irrelevant, most of my experience online has been at this level and I would be looking for information about villain specifically to work out river action.  Vs some a shove will be terrible and vs some its mandatory.. readless it probably can't be terrible, but what some aren't pointing out/ realizing is that a lot of players at this level just won't be calling 3 bullets with one pair (clearly some will but not as many as you'd think).

My understanding is that no software works on sky, one guy made some and he was banned and they blocked that as well i think. - TK?

Agree with Alex on turn size, 11>16 does seem better than 9, however I don't think its a big deal...

[Evilpengwinz]

My understanding is that no software works on sky, one guy made some and he was banned and they blocked that as well i think. - TK?

Think the official line is they "Don't support" any software, and will ban anyone caught using it. There is software which works on Sky out there, although I don't use it for obvious reasons.

5 handed, we make a fairly standard raise to 90p with from UTG as it looks pretty and we can print money against Villain 2 post flop.

Should emphasise that "UTG" is actually the hijack as we are 5 handed - Probably should've put "Hijack" instead of UTG to avoid any confusion, so apologies.

Idk if this affects people's opinions on whether or not we should actually be opening J9s or not from this position?

[kano]

Really interesting charts, need a bit of time to have a good look at them. What is the red colour coding? Did you produce these yourself, or are they part of a group effort?

[MelissaChloe]

Like Honeybadger says, this is not a standard UTG open.

And tbh even the best winning regs are probably not actually winning much (longterm) from opening something as weak as J9s.

Interesting that Pat says he would open it as he told me his UTG range was 77+, AJs+, KQs+ as most of our profit at these stakes is not from UTG.  It's going to be from late position hands played well, stealing, restealing and bombing off weak ranges vs people that peel pre and flop weakly.

Giving me hasstle for something I may or may have not done live is clearly irrelevant, most of my experience online has been at this level and I would be looking for information about villain specifically to work out river action.  Vs some a shove will be terrible and vs some its mandatory.. readless it probably can't be terrible, but what some aren't pointing out/ realizing is that a lot of players at this level just won't be calling 3 bullets with one pair (clearly some will but not as many as you'd think).

My understanding is that no software works on sky, one guy made some and he was banned and they blocked that as well i think. - TK?

Agree with Alex on turn size, 11>16 does seem better than 9, however I don't think its a big deal...

This is true. I almost always open J9s UTG. Just checked my database and although a winning hand UTG, it is marginal. Don't know why it is causing a fuss, the open in this hand is absolutely fine

This is also a really good point, hence why I was asking for a little more info on the river tendencies of the villain. It is easy to say that you should shove vs an unknown, however you seem to have some history with said villain? A smaller value bet is even feasable against some who won't bet, but won't call a shove either. Very hard to say the optimal line here and I do think it is a situation that is very opponent dependent

[jgcblack]

Like Honeybadger says, this is not a standard UTG open.

And tbh even the best winning regs are probably not actually winning much (longterm) from opening something as weak as J9s.

Interesting that Pat says he would open it as he told me his UTG range was 77+, AJs+, KQs+ as most of our profit at these stakes is not from UTG.  It's going to be from late position hands played well, stealing, restealing and bombing off weak ranges vs people that peel pre and flop weakly.

Giving me hasstle for something I may or may have not done live is clearly irrelevant, most of my experience online has been at this level and I would be looking for information about villain specifically to work out river action.  Vs some a shove will be terrible and vs some its mandatory.. readless it probably can't be terrible, but what some aren't pointing out/ realizing is that a lot of players at this level just won't be calling 3 bullets with one pair (clearly some will but not as many as you'd think).

My understanding is that no software works on sky, one guy made some and he was banned and they blocked that as well i think. - TK?

Agree with Alex on turn size, 11>16 does seem better than 9, however I don't think its a big deal...

This is true. I almost always open J9s UTG. Just checked my database and although a winning hand UTG, it is marginal. Don't know why it is causing a fuss, the open in this hand is absolutely fine

This is also a really good point, hence why I was asking for a little more info on the river tendencies of the villain. It is easy to say that you should shove vs an unknown, however you seem to have some history with said villain? A smaller value bet is even feasible against some who won't bet, but won't call a shove either. Very hard to say the optimal line here and I do think it is a situation that is very opponent dependent

I guess 5 handed it 'could' be an open, but I just don't like the way its been said "oh obviously its an open".  Granted being HJ is kinda cosy, but still got two people behind and just because its 5 handed doesn't mean they will 'open up'.  My general tendencies when shorter is to steal more and be more aggressive IP, not oop.

Main reason why i don't love the open (not that its really the main point of the thread) is just that its not going to be easy to value bet with this hand.
This is literally something i've been told in my diary a ton, this hand just doesn't make enough tp+ hands to value bet and that's where the money comes from at these stakes.

anyways...

river, agree with Melissa as I said above.. you might miss some value by checking but I just haven't 'caught' enough people going mental with missed draws at 10nl and 25nl in my experience.

[pleno1]

Really interesting charts, need a bit of time to have a good look at them. What is the red colour coding? Did you produce these yourself, or are they part of a group effort?

i made the ranges for ps and they got a professional illustrator to put them into sexy articles in german and then in videos, i can share the content in month or so when its translated.

red colour coding is interesting

it means some percentage of the time call, some percentage of the time raise, range protection basically.

the way i do it is if i have ad or kd in the aa or kk combos then i flat and if not then i be aggressive, it means that i can control my frequencies.