Long term Turbo MTT Staking 2.0

[vegaslover]

Adding in the 22r Aus Millions sat at 9:30 at James' recommendation, not planning on going to Aus, T$s ftw.

No doubt you end up doing what James did, good luck in Oz next year...

[mondatoo]

Adding in the 22r Aus Millions sat at 9:30 at James' recommendation, not planning on going to Aus, T$s ftw.

No doubt you end up doing what James did, good luck in Oz next year...

Confirmed won't be playing $700 sats on the stake 

[mondatoo]

PokerStars Hand #121087999044: Tournament #961595459, $24.50+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2014/09/05 11:26:27 WET [2014/09/05 6:26:27 ET]
Table '961595459 30' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mondonewc (14225 in chips)
Seat 2: jo858.Jo (21130 in chips)
Seat 4: kennycor (74412 in chips)
Seat 5: girtens (26720 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 6: acescastil (81334 in chips)
Seat 7: Fat Afghan (32982 in chips)
Seat 9: PSG96 (30276 in chips)
mondonewc: posts the ante 800
jo858.Jo: posts the ante 800
kennycor: posts the ante 800
acescastil: posts the ante 800
Fat Afghan: posts the ante 800
PSG96: posts the ante 800
acescastil: posts small blind 2000
Fat Afghan: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mondonewc [ ]
PSG96: folds
mondonewc: raises 4000 to 8000
jo858.Jo: folds
kennycor: folds
acescastil: calls 6000
Fat Afghan: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
acescastil: bets 8000
mondonewc: calls 5425 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2575) returned to acescastil
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
acescastil: shows [ ] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
mondonewc: shows [ ] (a flush, Queen high)
mondonewc collected 35650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35650 | Rake 0
Board [ Ah]
Seat 1: mondonewc showed [ ] and won (35650) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 2: jo858.Jo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kennycor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: acescastil (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 7: Fat Afghan (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: PSG96 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Got jam thru next hand so 9/22

Need top 3 though!

[mondatoo]

It's the hope that killz you zzzzzzzzzz

PokerStars Hand #121088048896: Tournament #961595459, $24.50+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2500/5000) - 2014/09/05 11:28:21 WET [2014/09/05 6:28:21 ET]
Table '961595459 30' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: mondonewc (44150 in chips)
Seat 3: KOSEC510 (18214 in chips)
Seat 4: kennycor (71612 in chips)
Seat 5: girtens (24720 in chips)
Seat 6: acescastil (65109 in chips)
Seat 7: Fat Afghan (57512 in chips)
Seat 9: PSG96 (19976 in chips)
mondonewc: posts the ante 1000
KOSEC510: posts the ante 1000
kennycor: posts the ante 1000
girtens: posts the ante 1000
acescastil: posts the ante 1000
Fat Afghan: posts the ante 1000
PSG96: posts the ante 1000
mondonewc: posts small blind 2500
KOSEC510: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mondonewc [ ]
kennycor: folds
girtens is disconnected
girtens has timed out while disconnected
girtens: folds
girtens is sitting out
acescastil: folds
Fat Afghan: folds
PSG96: raises 13976 to 18976 and is all-in
mondonewc: raises 24174 to 43150 and is all-in
KOSEC510: folds
Uncalled bet (24174) returned to mondonewc
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mondonewc: shows [ ] (a pair of Kings)
PSG96: shows [ Ah] (a pair of Aces)
PSG96 collected 49952 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 49952 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: mondonewc (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: KOSEC510 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: kennycor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: girtens folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: acescastil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fat Afghan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PSG96 (button) showed [ Ah] and won (49952) with a pair of Aces

15/20

[mondatoo]

PokerStars Hand #121088095582: Tournament #961595459, $24.50+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (3000/6000) - 2014/09/05 11:30:10 WET [2014/09/05 6:30:10 ET]
Table '961595459 5' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: mrsicher333 (107998 in chips)
Seat 2: senna_f4 (144827 in chips)
Seat 3: tiger-russ (64642 in chips)
Seat 4: robbie847 (109293 in chips)
Seat 5: dandan1923 (27810 in chips)
Seat 6: Raise3333 (92878 in chips)
Seat 7: mondonewc (23174 in chips)
Seat 8: thekevilfish (39648 in chips)
Seat 9: vizio1960 (76031 in chips)
mrsicher333: posts the ante 1200
senna_f4: posts the ante 1200
tiger-russ: posts the ante 1200
robbie847: posts the ante 1200
dandan1923: posts the ante 1200
Raise3333: posts the ante 1200
mondonewc: posts the ante 1200
thekevilfish: posts the ante 1200
vizio1960: posts the ante 1200
mrsicher333: posts small blind 3000
senna_f4: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mondonewc [ ]
tiger-russ has timed out
tiger-russ: folds
tiger-russ is sitting out
tiger-russ has returned
robbie847: folds
dandan1923: folds
Raise3333: folds
mondonewc: raises 6000 to 12000
thekevilfish: folds
vizio1960: raises 62831 to 74831 and is all-in
mrsicher333: folds
senna_f4: folds
mondonewc: calls 9974 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (52857) returned to vizio1960
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mondonewc: shows [ ] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
vizio1960: shows [Ah ] (two pair, Threes and Deuces - Ace kicker)
vizio1960 collected 63748 from pot
mondonewc finished the tournament in 16th place and received $98.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 63748 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: mrsicher333 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: senna_f4 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: tiger-russ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: robbie847 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dandan1923 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Raise3333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mondonewc showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Threes and Deuces
Seat 8: thekevilfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: vizio1960 (button) showed [Ah ] and won (63748) with two pair, Threes and Deuces

[mondatoo]

Loss today : $963.07

Balance = $9835.12 (make up = $4414.88)

[Killerkilsby]

PokerStars Hand #121038152533: Tournament #961595298, $70+$7 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (1600/3200) - 2014/09/04 9:18:17 WET [2014/09/04 4:18:17 ET]
Table '961595298 5' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: mondonewc (70648 in chips)
Seat 4: jocksloman (27499 in chips)
Seat 5: POTTERPOKER (36026 in chips)
Seat 6: Arggg93 (27252 in chips)
mondonewc: posts the ante 400
jocksloman: posts the ante 400
POTTERPOKER: posts the ante 400
Arggg93: posts the ante 400
mondonewc: posts small blind 1600
jocksloman: posts big blind 3200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mondonewc [ ]
POTTERPOKER: folds
Arggg93: folds
mondonewc: raises 67048 to 70248 and is all-in
jocksloman: calls 23899 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (43149) returned to mondonewc
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mondonewc: shows [ ] (a pair of Sevens)
jocksloman: shows [ ] (a pair of Sevens - Ace kicker)
jocksloman collected 55798 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 55798 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 3: mondonewc (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: jocksloman (big blind) showed [ ] and won (55798) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: POTTERPOKER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Arggg93 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

5/9

Hi not trying to troll you but would genuinely like to ask, if anything to improve my own game and I waited a day and until you'd finished your session to ask.

Is this really standard play here, you are 1/9 and I understand you can pressure people but this looks exactly what it is, your hand is practically face up. Would you play your big hands the same? I understand putting pressure on people because of the money jumps etc but just wondering if you and others think this is standard play or slightly spewy.

[MC]

PokerStars Hand #121038152533: Tournament #961595298, $70+$7 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (1600/3200) - 2014/09/04 9:18:17 WET [2014/09/04 4:18:17 ET]
Table '961595298 5' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: mondonewc (70648 in chips)
Seat 4: jocksloman (27499 in chips)
Seat 5: POTTERPOKER (36026 in chips)
Seat 6: Arggg93 (27252 in chips)
mondonewc: posts the ante 400
jocksloman: posts the ante 400
POTTERPOKER: posts the ante 400
Arggg93: posts the ante 400
mondonewc: posts small blind 1600
jocksloman: posts big blind 3200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mondonewc [ ]
POTTERPOKER: folds
Arggg93: folds
mondonewc: raises 67048 to 70248 and is all-in
jocksloman: calls 23899 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (43149) returned to mondonewc
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mondonewc: shows [ ] (a pair of Sevens)
jocksloman: shows [ ] (a pair of Sevens - Ace kicker)
jocksloman collected 55798 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 55798 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 3: mondonewc (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: jocksloman (big blind) showed [ ] and won (55798) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: POTTERPOKER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Arggg93 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

5/9

Hi not trying to troll you but would genuinely like to ask, if anything to improve my own game and I waited a day and until you'd finished your session to ask.

Is this really standard play here, you are 1/9 and I understand you can pressure people but this looks exactly what it is, your hand is practically face up. Would you play your big hands the same? I understand putting pressure on people because of the money jumps etc but just wondering if you and others think this is standard play or slightly spewy.

Not trying to be a dick but I wish ppl would check they have read the hh right before posting stuff like this.

Monda has jammed 8BB from the small blind in this hand.

[George2Loose]

Maybe he doesn't realise this is pretty standard small to big 8 bigs effective?

[MC]

Maybe he doesn't realise this is pretty standard small to big 8 bigs effective?

I don't think so given he said 'ur hand is practically face up' etc

[Killerkilsby]

George is right,

I have read the Hh correct and was establishing if this was standard. I do realise it is circa 8bb effective and hero has just over 20bb

Perhaps you didn't like my terminology 'face up' what I mean is if I was villain id know exactly how wide he'd be doing it and calling off appropriately. Probs qj+

Rightly or wrongly Im not sure thats why im trying to have an adult conversation without causing problems.

Im trying to establish is the risk worth the reward here making this jam. Is this really totally standard to risk over 1/3 of your chips in this spot when you are well placed for a deep run.

And if you had KK QQ AA or some other big hands for example would you really be jamming here or clicking it.

[MC]

Ok sorry, I was just confused because this shove is so unbelievably standard. Also we would shove the entire range we are shoving with, which would be much wider than 89s, and would certainly include QQ+. Hence why I was confused by the face up comment. We are in no way face up - we just have 60% of hands or whatever it is that we are jamming here. Villain should be calling wider than QJ but that doesn't mean we can't still jam profitably.

When you question someone's play in a staking thread, it inevitably comes off kind of critical, even if that's not the way you intended. If you are questioning something this super-standard then you should probably be asking about it elsewhere like PHA or Learning Centre or something.

I'm sure you didn't mean any harm and again sorry if I'm coming off as a dick.

[theprawnidentity]

George is right,

I have read the Hh correct and was establishing if this was standard. I do realise it is circa 8bb effective and hero has just over 20bb

Perhaps you didn't like my terminology 'face up' what I mean is if I was villain id know exactly how wide he'd be doing it and calling off appropriately. Probs qj+

Rightly or wrongly Im not sure thats why im trying to have an adult conversation without causing problems.

Im trying to establish is the risk worth the reward here making this jam. Is this really totally standard to risk over 1/3 of your chips in this spot when you are well placed for a deep run.

And if you had KK QQ AA or some other big hands for example would you really be jamming here or clicking it.

By saying you would only call with QJ here you have kind of shown why it is so profitable to jam here.  I will run through the numbers really quickly without taking into account any ICM considerations.

According to nash we're meant to jam 70% of hands in this spot.  The range looks like this:

70.0%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o+ T2s+ T7o+ 93s+ 97o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s


The bb is meant to call with a range that looks like this:

51.5%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J5s+ J8o+ T7s+ T8o+ 97s+ 87s


So if we take into consideration that most players wouldn't call anywhere near this wide and adjust the calling range to somehwere in the region you suggested:

24.3%, 22+ Ax+ KTs+ KJo+ QJs QJo

We can now profitably jam ATC, and even 32o nets us a huge gain because you're not calling wide enough.


In more simplistic terms, if we jam 100% of hands and you only call with 24% then we would take down the blinds and antes 76% which will net us +4800 chips roughly 3/4 times.  The 1/4 times that you actually have a hand that you're willing to call off with, even if we're at the very bottom of our range with 32o we're still going to bust the bb 28% of the time, were going to have 40% most of the time, and ahead some of the time too.  The overall net gain in this situation will be absolutely huge.

[mondatoo]

Just to add to what Tomsom's said and giving consideration to ICM which at this point we should.

If the BB is calling correctly : 44+,A2+,K3s+,K6o+,Q7s+,Q9o+,J9s+,JTo

We can profitably jam : (90.0%) 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J2+,T2s+,T3o+,92s+,94o+,82s+,84o+,72s+,74o+,62s+,63o+,52s+,53o+,42s+,43o,32s

You can ofc never be certain, but I'm very confident that the BB wasn't calling that wide from how I'd seen him play thus far and from other info such as OPR etc.

I'd put his calling range at something like this : 33+,A2+,K8s+,K9o+,QTs+,QJo (more likely to be tighter than this not wider imo)

If that is the case, jamming 32os makes us $46.95, jamming our hand 98s nets us $130.70.

Which is why James had thought you misread the hand, as it was a little confusing you stating my hand is face up because I would jam my entire range here.

So whilst it doesn't look like one, and as anyone who's following the thread will confirm, I don't like to moan, but we basically got coolered 

[theprawnidentity]

I don't think its much of a cooler, we made $130.70.