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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2019, 05:11:57 PM »

Barney Boatman tweeted a very valid point about how many less brain dead people who could easily have been using this and not making it so obvious as Postle has and still getting away with it and actually losing a few hands.
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2019, 12:26:56 AM »



More Berkey breakdowns.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2019, 09:33:15 AM »

$10m lawsuit brought against Postle, the poker room and a 'Chief Confederate"

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/109702/

Court documents: https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A323fafc0-e583-4c19-91be-dc7d1610c53b

Shit got real
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2019, 09:50:28 AM »


Good stuff Barry.

One of the charges is...

"unjust enrichment"


Don't know where to begin with poker, or even life in general, & unjust enrichment.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2019, 10:16:44 AM »

Amazes me how stupid and greedy some people are.

He could have quietly milked this for years having far more losing sessions.

I remember playing 3 card brag at Stapleford Cue Club back in the late 80's and a guy
kept consistently winning , far too much in the space of 15-20 weeks that I sussed out how
he was cheating as statistically it was almost impossible to go on a run like he did.

He got greedy.

He would have got his comeuppance as I had a cold deck ready to swop when he went to the toilet
but a brother of one of the players alerted him when he was in the toilet that we had sussed him out.

He never came back , although he did visit me at my shop the next day to offer some "cashback"

I refused as we had as a group all lost around 15-20k and he needed to recompense all of us..

Never saw him again although he did make headlines of Nottingham Evening Post for cheating
a football pools customer out of thousands because his newsagents shop was scamming customers
by keeping their pools money.

Lovely bloke.

 
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« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2019, 10:45:54 AM »

Amazes me how stupid and greedy some people are.

He could have quietly milked this for years having far more losing sessions.

I remember playing 3 card brag at Stapleford Cue Club back in the late 80's and a guy
kept consistently winning , far too much in the space of 15-20 weeks that I sussed out how
he was cheating as statistically it was almost impossible to go on a run like he did.

He got greedy.

He would have got his comeuppance as I had a cold deck ready to swop when he went to the toilet
but a brother of one of the players alerted him when he was in the toilet that we had sussed him out.

He never came back , although he did visit me at my shop the next day to offer some "cashback"

I refused as we had as a group all lost around 15-20k and he needed to recompense all of us..

Never saw him again although he did make headlines of Nottingham Evening Post for cheating
a football pools customer out of thousands because his newsagents shop was scamming customers
by keeping their pools money.

Lovely bloke.

 

Blimey, I used to frequent Stapleford Cue Club, though maybe more like early 90's than late eighties. Just for snooker though, not cards. The place was run by a couple, both of whom were decent snooker players,  & they were big mates with Mike Hallett who often made an appearance.

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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2019, 04:08:08 PM »

I remember you mentioning the cue club in your diary a while back.

Our paths must have very nearly crossed before those heady smoke filled casino
days in the early 2000's.

Steve was the owner of the club , tall young chap , he had a pub in the middle of Nottingham
as well. Not sure of timelines but I believe their was a fella named Dave who took it over from him
and he was a good snooker player and that would have been early 1990's.

One or two of our card group thought Oscar ( the cheater's name ) wasn't cheating but merely
card counting. Tried to explain to them that when he was blind and putting in half of what you
were putting in "seen" and he knew what cards he had that amounted to cheating.
Especially when you could not see a blind man in 3 card so he kept going blind till he had all
your money.

I was staggered by their attitude of " fair play to him "

The money sloshing around in the late eighties is like nothing I have ever seen since.

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« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2019, 06:32:50 PM »

I remember you mentioning the cue club in your diary a while back.

Our paths must have very nearly crossed before those heady smoke filled casino
days in the early 2000's.

Steve was the owner of the club , tall young chap , he had a pub in the middle of Nottingham
as well. Not sure of timelines but I believe their was a fella named Dave who took it over from him
and he was a good snooker player and that would have been early 1990's.

One or two of our card group thought Oscar ( the cheater's name ) wasn't cheating but merely
card counting. Tried to explain to them that when he was blind and putting in half of what you
were putting in "seen" and he knew what cards he had that amounted to cheating.
Especially when you could not see a blind man in 3 card so he kept going blind till he had all
your money.

I was staggered by their attitude of " fair play to him "

The money sloshing around in the late eighties is like nothing I have ever seen since.



Brag had some distinctly dodgy rules one of which iirc was that if you ran out of cash you lost the pot.
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« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2019, 06:41:14 PM »

We didn’t have that one but plenty of other dodgy rules.

The main one for our cheater Oscar was once dealt , pack of cards were turned
upside down and then players cards were put on top face up as you folded.

No shuffling either which meant you could suss out what cards were going to come
out at a later stage.

Oscar didn’t need your dodgy rule 😉
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« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2019, 06:49:56 PM »

I’m nearly over it 30 years later 😄

I saw him , real name Steve Austin , a couple of weeks ago at a
Charity golf day at Chilwell .

He acknowledged everyone at our table after we had played , except me .

Complete low life , hasn’t aged well at least .

He must look older than Tikay .
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« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2019, 10:07:24 PM »

I’m nearly over it 30 years later 😄

I saw him , real name Steve Austin , a couple of weeks ago at a
Charity golf day at Chilwell .

He acknowledged everyone at our table after we had played , except me .

Complete low life , hasn’t aged well at least .

He must look older than Tikay .

Ahhh so someone gets the bookies pants down, are we supposed to feel sorry for the bookie, hmmmmmmmm now let me think
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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2019, 10:19:12 PM »

You get more like Woodsey every day 😄

Now get back to the other thread but please pick on someone other than Tighty.

He tries his best to be balanced , puts lots of interesting stuff out there for us to
digest and all you can do is nitpick 😳

I am all for leaving the EU , without a deal , but respect his views , unlike you ,
you miserable old codger .
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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2019, 10:43:06 PM »

yep, never shuffle in 3 card.
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« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2019, 10:44:07 PM »

.....Unless someone wins with a prial
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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2019, 10:22:42 AM »

I’m nearly over it 30 years later 😄

I saw him , real name Steve Austin , a couple of weeks ago at a
Charity golf day at Chilwell .

He acknowledged everyone at our table after we had played , except me .

Complete low life , hasn’t aged well at least .

He must look older than Tikay .

was he a "stone cold" cheat? Smiley
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