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« on: March 28, 2006, 01:09:35 AM »

I am not sure if it's appropriate to start a new thread about this, but as I'm not going to to talk solely about the structures, I'm going to start it anyways. So yah boo.

First and foremost congratulations to those who had a high final table finishing position..

I've play alot with DC down the years and I can confidently state he played better than I've ever seen him play before. Freed from worrying about ranking points and other such nonsense, he just relaxed and played some superb poker, making more moves than an acrobat on speed. He is probably pissed off he didn't win but he shouldn't be. If he carries on like that I confidently predict he will have his best ever year.

Jan Heitman was a new face to most but when I confided his pokerstars name to me I knew all about him. He dominated play for many hours and played his big stack expertly for all that time. He will be seen again at the final table of many major tournaments.

John Kabbaj is probably the most underrated tournament poker player in Europe. But, if he carries on this way he won't be underrated for much longer. He should be in everyone's list of the top 3 players in the UK. He has so many gears he can send you dizzy. His one big failing down the years has been that he's unable to recover from a setback. But, that seems to be a thing of the past now. He deserves this succes and will win many more big events.

Now... onto the thorniest point of all... the structure. I reckon it was 100% spot on. The fact that so many very good players made the final (Julian said something about cream rising to the top) supports my asessment I reckon. Colclough, Xanthos, Kabbaj and O'Connell. Find me another final table in Europe this year with over 200 runners and so many big names making it to the business end.

Yes, there were no 75-150 and 150-300 levels but they added a 500-1000 level which I have never seen at a Gorsvenor tournament. The Vic Card Room relies on cash games to exist and it is not unreasonable to free up a couple of tables quickly so the cash game players can get down to action. There is alot of noise when tournaments end up as crap shoots when the money is on offer. Well, I for one would prefer to have a slightly faster paced event in the early stages, and for the tournament to slow down when the money approaches.

I think for a £1500 event we saw alot of play. On day 1 we played about 7 hours. Day 2 saw over 9 hours of action. Day 3 meant 11 hours of play. (I am including breaks and estimating the totals.. but they are within 30 minutes every day). 27 hours of play over 3 days? Hardly a crapshoot is it?

What do players want? Do you want to play for 7 days for one tournament? I honestly think there are far more important factors to get steamed up about... like it being called "Sponsored by Blue Square" but the sponsor not adding a bean in added money. Like players not getting a a penny from television money. Like players being forced to put a bb in every hand after they miss a round of play (I might be wrong, I was at another table.. but I think when Pascal Perrault missed an hour of play on day3 he wasn't forced to put a bb in every hand... if I am correct this the first time I've seen this in England and hats off to the Vic for another excellent decision).. Like there not being a universal set of rules..

The staff at the Vic are the best. The dealers are brilliant. The playing conditions are superb. I would almost rather win a main event at the Vic than a bracelet (almost but not quite lol).

As for my tournament. I cannot deny being chuffed to bits with my performance. I was really up for playing as I've played so little year and it showed as I played my best ever poker on Day 1 and continued a strong performance throughout the comp. Maybe I wasn't quite aggressive enough in the end.. but with  that chip monster Marc Goodwin on my left for most of Day 2 and Jan Heitman taking most of my stealing opportunities on Day 3 there wasn't much I could do. I was never dealt the boots in 3 days of play and only won the antes on the two occasions I found KK. If I had a bit more run of the cards I could have finished even higher. Oh well. I c'est le vie. If I play like this when I do play I hope I can score a big result in 2006.





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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2006, 01:28:09 AM »


Nice Post Keith.

I too thought Dave was back to his best. It's not widely known that he has been unwell for almost a year. He had "polips" (I think that's the name) which gave him severe breathing problems, & a constant streaming nose, like a cold, but not a cold. Smoky atmospheres aggravated it. And he could not sleep properly. He had an operation  2 weeks ago, and is a new man - mainly because he can now sleep properly. It was lovely to see him so focused, and it was an especially good effort consideribng he was almost lowest chip after both Day One and Day Two.

And the German boy - Jan - wow, a revelation. He got some stick for his style, but he LOVED to play flops, was utterly confident in his ability to outplay folks - rather similar to your style Keith - and he was always smiling, plenty of friendly banter, a realy smashing individual, I thought.

My fave hand of the comp was when you & Jan got involved, you bet all the way, he called all the way, on the end, you said "you must win, I got J high" (J-5, as it happened) & he mucked!
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 01:32:35 AM »


My fave hand of the comp was when you & Jan got involved, you bet all the way, he called all the way, on the end, you said "you must win, I got J high" (J-5, as it happened) & he mucked!

Huh?
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2006, 01:35:23 AM »

Great poker, i called a turn bet with 72 today cuz i had a flush draw and he mucked after the river LOL
7 high is the nuts.
Mind you i wasn't in a £1500 comp >:?

Awesome display from all i thought, very good updates
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2006, 01:37:32 AM »


It's a great feeling to get one of those through Ian - better than sex. I'm told.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2006, 01:42:14 AM »

Very good points keith.

The posting a bb every hand after missing a round rule was scrapped on a group level, so you won't be penalised for doing this at any Grosvenor cardrooms from now on. You do still have to be in your seat when the first hand is dealt though.

Although not huge, Blue Square does put £3,500 into each full week Grosvenor festival. £3,000 for added seats in super satellites for the main events and £500 to the club towards trophies and printing costs.

There are several new proposals being considered at the moment. One of them, if implemented would ensure added value in every Grosvenor festival event.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2006, 01:50:51 AM »



What do players want?


I just want to know what the structure is going to be before the start so that I can decide if I want to play or not

Then, if I decide to play, I want to know if clock is going to speed up or slow down, it makes the difference between me being short stacked or comfortable

I have never seen a comp where the clock was 45min/1hour/90min/1hour/45min
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 02:19:51 AM »

WPT events at Paris start with a 90 minute clock. The final is played with a 60 minute clock. Last year when they got heads up they played a 30 minute clock!

The Vic has played the first two levels of it's main events with a 45 minute clock moving to an hour clock for at least a year, probably longer.

With 2 day 1's they had to make sure enough players were eliminated so all could be accomodated for day 2. I really think there is no need for a 75-150 level in main events. But, they could have put in a 150-300. Apart from that, an excellent structure. They changed the clock as they saw fit in order to get the tournament finished in time. Better a 45 minute clock than a chip count to decide the winner, surely.

One of the most important skills for a poker player is adaptability. You play the way is most profitable under the conditions on offer. Sometimes you play tight, sometimes loose/aggressive.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2006, 02:20:27 AM »



What do players want?


I just want to know what the structure is going to be before the start so that I can decide if I want to play or not

Then, if I decide to play, I want to know if clock is going to speed up or slow down, it makes the difference between me being short stacked or comfortable

I have never seen a comp where the clock was 45min/1hour/90min/1hour/45min

aah, the famous symmetrical clock
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2006, 02:28:55 AM »


The posting a bb every hand after missing a round rule was scrapped on a group level, so you won't be penalised for doing this at any Grosvenor cardrooms from now on. You do still have to be in your seat when the first hand is dealt though.


Harrah and huzzah!!!!!


Although not huge, Blue Square does put £3,500 into each full week Grosvenor festival. £3,000 for added seats in super satellites for the main events and £500 to the club towards trophies and printing costs.


I would hazard a guess, but I'm not sure, that instead of putting the money into extra seast in super satellites most players would prefer that money going to making the main event juice free for the players.


There are several new proposals being considered at the moment. One of them, if implemented would ensure added value in every Grosvenor festival event.

Hurrah, huzzah, and hip hip horray!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2006, 03:41:37 AM »

The Vic sent out a flyer for their £750 & £1,500 event which had the blind structures advertised. I have searched everywhere for it but it must have been thrown out with the rubbish.
If anyone has one you can tell if the Vic altered their advertised structure on the day.

Changing the clock each and every day is unacceptable, just start the tournaments earlier. It proves the Vic got it wrong when they decided to halt the competition an hour early because the fear of losing all the players.

Everyone can adapt to blind structures but changing from a 45 min to an 1hour then 90 mins and back to 45mins can throw everyones game plan into array.

Imagine in the Triathlon if after your run they say were making the swim 20 miles instead of 15 but the cycling will be only 12 instead of 18.

Some players start out with a gameplan and set their stall out from the beginning,
timing their  chip accumilation within certain levels of the tournament.
This course of action can go to pot if unscheduled alterations are made like changing the clock.
It just makes the whole thing more likely to become a crapshoot IMHO
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2006, 03:59:49 AM »

Sod the structure, when are they gonna get a proper bar license, every other Grosvenor casino has a late license except the vic...  I had to sober up twice in 1 week ffs Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 04:04:54 AM »

I still have The Vic "flyer" IKI, & it is very comprehensive indeed, & apropos structures, it lists EVERY blind level.

But, conspicious by it's absence, it does not even mention the "clock" or lengths of the levels in the Main Event, but it gives this info for EVERY other comp.

One has to assume this was by design, rather than accident. Presumbly, they wanted to give themselves room for maneouvre.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2006, 04:45:41 AM »

I still have The Vic "flyer" IKI, & it is very comprehensive indeed, & apropos structures, it lists EVERY blind level.

But, conspicious by it's absence, it does not even mention the "clock" or lengths of the levels in the Main Event, but it gives this info for EVERY other comp.

One has to assume this was by design, rather than accident. Presumbly, they wanted to give themselves room for maneouvre.
Were any levels removed Tikay?
i.e 75  150  or 150  300.
It seems everyone mentions these 2 levels and I was wondering if they were in the original programme but removed on the day
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2006, 04:53:24 AM »

No craig, they were never there


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