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Should be good tonight.....

Chris Huhne certainly has some interesting views.

I'll be watching for sure.

who's on?

i thought bolt was gonna ask a question

Jack Straw.

tosser

well i suppose he is

its just i dont like the man

yeah but he's good at HU SNG'S

oh is he gonna be talking strategies

So conflicted about this one, really want him to get booed and have mud thrown at him, but at the same time really want him to be given enough rope to hang himself.

Probably would be most beneficial to ask him what his policy is on something non racially motivated like Pensions, Education, Transportation etc etc is because he probably will reveal himself to be a clueless idiot more than whatever his preprepared answers are on immigration etc.

Ah sod it, just throw some shit at him instead.

He's a liar and a vile bigoted idiot, and I hope that the others ensure he reveals his true colours.  My worry is that he somehow manages to come over as legitimate and this then lends credence to the bullshit the BNP spouts. 

It'll certainly be the most watched QT in a long time (if not ever). 

Play along: http://bit.ly/KPewl

Way more - top audience is 3.8m. Paddy Power offering only 8/15 on more than 5.1m.

I really am annoyed at those Anti-Nazi cretins currently storming TV Centre - do they not realise that what they're doing allows Griffin to portray himself as a victim, someone who they are trying to deny the right to free speech that others have.


Yeah, because normal politicians sure come across as knowing what they're talking about when they discuss that stuff.

lol @ the drink 3 fingers ones

This will, of course, be his aim, and given that the questions this week apparently have to be vetted in advance I'm sure he'll have nice 'reasonable' sounding answers prepared.  Yeah, there may be a few people of below average intelligence that get sucked into the 'oh, they're not really racist at all, he talks some sense' school of thought, but I doubt the average question time viewer will be so easily fooled.

Pretty much everything he says will get boo'd and everything said against him will get cheered, that should be enough for most of the thicko undecided voters to go against him.

He cant help himself, he always starts off in interviews trying to portray himself as being fair and reputable but the longer he talks it really does start to go down hill, i remember when they got elected as mep's, the interviews with him and his mob that night were shocking

The problem is it's not the average question time viewer that needs persuading.

Question Time as panto.

I think David Dimbleby would make a good Widow Twanky.

fyp

I take your point, but other than people that already watch it, people that are going to watch because he's on and they want to see him fuck up, and people that are already supporters (whose views are likely entrenched), I don't think there are going to be many others tuning in tonight. I doubt many of the 'thicko undecided voters' will even know he's on the show tonight, or be bothered enough to watch it if they do.

Overall, however 'legitimate' he attempts to come across tonight, I can't see this exercise being in any way beneficial for the BNP, and hopefully the opposite. I hope I'm not wrong.

lol keith, its not xfactor. Who else is on the pannel. Tony benn would be good on tonights show.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8315226.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8315226.stm

This week's panel

Question Time, the BBC's premier political debate programme chaired by David Dimbleby, will be in London on Thursday 22 October.
The panel will include the Justice Secretary Jack Straw MP, the Conservative spokeswoman for community cohesion Baroness Warsi, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne MP, the leader of the British National Party Nick Griffin MEP and the playwright and author Bonnie Greer.
JACK STRAW MP

Jack Straw has been Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice since June 2007.
He was active in student politics and was President of the National Union of Students, before pursuing a career in law. He was elected MP for Blackburn in 1979.
He was one of the key members of Tony Blair's cabinet in 1997, and has since held a number of high-profile posts, including Home Secretary. He was Foreign Secretary from 2001 to 2006, a period which saw the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, and the subsequent 'War on Terror', with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
He courted controversy in 2006 by suggesting women who wear veils over their faces can make community relations harder, saying they are a "visible statement of separation and of difference."
Speaking on the BBC Politics Show last month he said, "wherever we have had BNP problems in my area and when we have fought them hard, we've pulled back and won the seats back."
BARONESS WARSI

Sayeeda Warsi is the Conservative shadow minister for community cohesion.
A British-born Muslim of Pakistani origin, she was a former race adviser to Michael Howard and has also been vice chair of the Conservative Party with responsibility for taking the party's message to the inner cities. She is youngest member of the House of Lords, as well as the first Muslim member of a shadow cabinet.
In December 2007, she came to international attention when she took a leading role in the successful mission to the Sudan to secure the release of the British teacher, Gillian Gibbons.
In an interview for the Times earlier this month she said: "I absolutely believe there is a marginalised white community, and the dispersal of asylum seekers policy had dire consequences for our northern towns."
CHRIS HUHNE MP

Chris Huhne is the Liberal Democrat spokesman on home affairs. He was formerly the party's environment and rural affairs spokesman.
He was the runner up in last year's Lib Dem leadership contest, losing to Nick Clegg by just 511 votes. He had previously run for the party leadership in 2006, coming second behind Sir Menzies Campbell.
Before entering politics he worked in the City and has written a number of books on economic and development issues. After five years as the MEP for South East England, he was elected as the MP for Eastleigh in 2005 and served as a shadow treasury spokesman under Charles Kennedy.
Writing about Question Time in the Guardian this week he said, "better surely to champion the great British values of moderation and tolerance rather than give bigotry the only say."
NICK GRIFFIN MEP

Nick Griffin is the leader of the British National Party and a member of the European Parliament for North West England.
He studied at Cambridge University and became involved in the politics of the National Front as a young man.
In 1998 he was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred, for his editorship of issue 12 of The Rune, published in 1996. He had written: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat... the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
In 2006 he was cleared of incitement to racial hatred, after a BBC documentary secretly filmed him saying that Islam was a "wicked, vicious faith".
In June he led the BNP to their first European electoral successes, when he and Andrew Brons were both elected as MEPs.
BONNIE GREER

Bonnie Greer is a playwright, critic and cultural commentator.
She was born in Chicago and has lived in the UK for 20 years.
Many of her plays have been dramatised on BBC radio and she has been the playwright-in-residence for the Soho Theatre and served on the boards of the Royal Opera House and London Film School. She has also spent time teaching Shakespeare in Lambeth and Brent schools and has published a number of books.
She has appeared regularly as a critic on Newsnight Review and writes for a number of newspapers and magazines, including the New Statesman, the Guardian and the Mail on Sunday.
In an interview in 2006 she said, "no British person would say that they were comfortable being a racist, you would never go on air and admit that in Britain."


Sandy

You would be suprised how stupid most people are.

The fact that Thatcher won 3 general elections is proof of that.

thatcher won 3 elections due to quirks of timing and oil

...and selling off our utilitys and council homes.

I just hope he comes over for what he is.  Give em enough rope.

Sigh Jack Straw banned from the Union at Leeds University because hes such a cockend.

Tonight will be fun to watch. I personally don't think the BNP are a threat. Worst reccession in yonks, no faith in MP's over the expenses and yet they still managed to get few votes in the euro elections than before. Their party is virtually bust and they behind in their accounts again, bitter in fighting and whistle blowing of member lists sure ain't gonna help expand them in the near future.

lol @ scenes at bbc

I'll watch it for the craic,but i can't see what all the fuss is about tbh as they are never gonna get enough votes to get elected anyway.

Tony Benn would be immense if he was on tonight.

These protesters are playing into his hands and the hands of sections of the media looking to stir up a story out of nothing. These people are giving Nick Griffin more publicity than he could dream of just by being there and causing the scenes we seen on the news tonight. He should have been allowed to appear on this without any of this fuss being made. Chances are he would have been made to look a cock, and hardly anyone other than regular viewers would have watched anyway. GG the anti fascist protesters on probably helping his cause.

I sincerely hope he gets plenty of questions on issues other than those his party are normally associated with, I doubt he will, but as mentioned earlier in the thread this should show him up.  

He gets stick for saying what millions of brits are thinking.... discuss.

Lol at certain people in this country. You can have free speech and a democracy......... As long as we like what you are saying!

Don't get me wrong, he is a bigoted prick, but let him have his say.

The media and protestors and playing into his hands!

The communist labour party get to spout their propoganda using taxpayers money ('climate change advert upsetting kids').

Discuss.

Erm, not sure what your point is.  The Labour party is hardly communist - in fact it's leaning right of centre at the moment.

Also, that advert is excellent - whose propaganda is it?

I agree with free speech, which is why he's on QT and the protesters have the right to express their dislike of him.  Those who don't want him on TV aren't trying to deprive him of his freedom of speech. They are arguing that his racist and foul views do not deserve a platform from which to be spouted.  I happen to think him being on will be a good thing, but I've also got concerns.  The protesters who entered the BBC were silly, but there was no violence and they were more ill-advised rather than damaging and dangerous.

Millions?  Possibly. I've heard plenty of racist and homophobic views and know many are prejudiced and often discriminate against others because of their colour, race or sexuality. 

Doesn't make them right though.

Following the PR success of Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time the BBC would like to announce that the BNP leader has now been invited to appear on Strictly Come Dancing to see if he can rescue that show too..........

Interesting as to who you think may have been advising them Dan. Who would you think puts up all the money for the fancy placards/banners on show? These weren't hastily made black marker or paint jobbies. They looked professionally done and woulda cost a few bob to have done.

How much of this (at the BBC today) do you think was orchestrated by the BNP themselves?

Geo

Nick Griffin is cock obv

But I do think the protestors give him exactly what he wants- publicity. Just leave the retard and his twat of a party alone. They'll get what's deserved someday. karma is a bitch

I'm sure they wouldn't mind the additional exposure, and I think it's a combination of people who were there - the ill-advised and the 'directed'. 

Actually the current Government has a lot of ex-communists in it including Bob Ainsworth the current Defence secretary.  Not sure how you can argue that their right of centre.

There are people within the party who are definitely left-wing, but the actual government in terms of policies and the way they've ruled the country is definitely not 'left-wing' and certainly not communist.

Question time clips from tonight here :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321566.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321566.stm)

Dan,

Surely you can see that is what my question was, who do you think are "advising and directing?"

Agreed George.

Geo

It's very left wing..a huge Government that encroaches in every aspect of our lives, a welfare state, the complete ruin of education and family life which is the best way to destroy the class system and control a population;  A slow but very noticeable removing of liberty; We're living in the pages of 1984 but without the stat rationed gin and blue boiler suits and people still think this government is right wing. It amazes me when people say that.  What's ring wing about it?

I was agreeing that some of the 'protesters' are possibly directed by the BNP in order to create a scene - don't know if that's the case or not though.  The 'ill-advised' I was talking about are those who don't think the BNP should be given an appearance on QT or any platform to speak (especially on a public broadcasting channel funded by the tax-payer), there were definitely plenty of them there.

Surrending rights to big corporations, an unlawful war for economic reasons, the erosion of the power of the workers, etc.  I'd consider these more right-wing than left.  The Labour party was traditionally further left than the Liberals, but that's no longer the case imo, and the difference between the policies of Labour and Tories is becoming more and more minimal.

The gap has closed because the Tories have moved left, not the other way round.  The last 12 years have been a slow Fabian movement, like working a fat turd through the bowls.  It's an egalitarian ideology which is steeped in communism.  We'll have to agree to disagree as these discussions bring me out in a rash.  I shouldn't have said anything.  Bad me.

Surrending rights to big corporations, an unlawful war for economic reasons, the erosion of the power of the workers, etc.  I'd consider these more right-wing than left.  The Labour party was traditionally further left than the Liberals, but that's no longer the case imo, and the difference between the policies of Labour and Tories is becoming more and more minimal.
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I thought you believed Maggie had already done that?

FWIW I was in the camp that these morons should not be given the platform from which to spout their vile nonsense. However, they have been given a bigger platform than QT by the other parties ignoring most inner cities and allowing the BNP to gain a foothold.

I now hope that QT and other platforms will show some of their followers how shit they really are.

Someone within the main 3 needs to really get a grip within the inner cities and start listening or it's only gonna get worse.

Geo

Half of your post on here have been anti labour, which is pretty impressive for a poker forum. The other half were promoting PKR, who presumably donate to the Conservative party.

lol smashed jack straw about his old man

Griffin being owned by Dimbleby, quite amusing from time to time

a lot of the young people in the audience sure did get the strangelove reference

It seems like he's not even taking it seriously, like he's so wrapped up in loving the infamy of it all he doesnt really give a shit

yeah it's a bit like that, settling down a bit now.

Is it just me or does Griffin look very very uncomfortable?

lol

think the tory woman has come across quite well, certainly better than the rest of the panel.

This is good, but I hate the fact that Dimbleby isn't neutral in this. Ruining it IMO.

The comment about Straw's old man was comedy.

I thought you believed Maggie had already done that?

FWIW I was in the camp that these morons should not be given the platform from which to spout their vile nonsense. However, they have been given a bigger platform than QT by the other parties ignoring most inner cities and allowing the BNP to gain a foothold.
I now hope that QT and other platforms will show some of their followers how shit they really are.

Someone within the main 3 needs to really get a grip within the inner cities and start listening or it's only gonna get worse.

Geo
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Glad that both she and Griffin are saying the same

Geo

lol @ the people in the front few rows looking up at the back in disgust when a little group keep applauding him

Don't know if griffin is 'winning' but imo jack straw is losing badly

bit difficult to take seriously really, entertaining though.

Only winner is Sayeeda Warsi  at the mo, however saying something on a TV debate and actually doing something about it are 2 different things.

Would like to hear more from the playwright lass, she seems to have Griffin wrapped up. Some past history there I think. He succumbs to her every time

Geo

because they're both playing the game, she knows the turn out and how to perform with him in this format whereas jack straw is foaming at the mouth with indignation and it doesnt come across well.

Wtf, millitant homosexuals!!! I'm off to get some metal pants on, brb.

dissapointed as I thought Straw would have been the one on the panel to take him on but he's looked a total arse.

Btw, get me some scissors I want to rid Dimbleby of that fkin tie

Geo

She was doing well, until she tripped over with the homosexual question.

Greer was excellent, the other two were typical politicians, and as for Griffin himself he was the perfect advertisement for everything that's wrong about the BNP.

Glad the BBC ran with it.

This next show with portillo is quite good too.

What was the point griffin made about english can't call themselves english or something. Does he have a point about this?

Yeah, watching that too.

Good point of 1 (albeit obnoxious) man against 5 including the presenter and the audience. Got to admit it was very much a mob mentality for the programme and not convinced it was the right way.

Geo

As Greer said, if you go back far enuff there's a bit of somewhere else in all of us.

Geo

Jack Straw's problem was that he seemed to feel it was his responsibility to take him on and he had a nightmare. The person with the most potential to damage the BNP tonight was Nick Griffin. All he needs is a platform to show how confused, contrary and foolish his thinking has become and the credibility of his party is damaged. Instead the rest of the panel and Dimbleby behaved in an unneccessarily hostile, borderline rude manner and Nick Griffin didn't come out of it all that badly. His politics might be shameful to most of us but in a democracy he has every right to appear on Question Time and be treated as an equal, tonight he wasn't.

not so sure about being an equal but agree the mob handedness made me uncomfortable.

edit: (You'd think I'd be used to it being on this forum)

Geo

After the comment about Straw's father the only way he could have made a comeback was if he'd called up his german counterpart during QT and put him on loudspeaker to confirm Griffin wouldn't be prosecuted and got him to properly explain his holocaust comments.

 straw is still a big tw@

 griffin wtf is it with yr toungue ya lizard

 greer whats with yr hair colour?

 straw is still a big tw@

 Huhne who are ya? you lost to cleggy get over it loser

 Baroness Warsi popy far too big!!

 David Dimbleby your tie was all wrong!!

 p,s straw looked a tw@ about his dad comment so pwned by griffin

 

What does his Dad have to do with his beliefs?

probably bugger all

did you see never mind the buzzcocks,the host reminded me of you

His tie was awesome!

what was with that bird throwing a strop at straw for saying afro caribbean? how is that offensive?

yeah, that seemed a bit daft

wouldve been com if jack straw had said: "sorry i meant darky"

 ;popcorn; ;yellowcard;

Amazingly enough I've been in a pub in Camden all night - after the football finished then switched the TV over to Question Time.

Griffen did seem to be a bit overly het-up about things a lot but I though the other political guests really failed to land any significant blows on him. Only Bonnie Greer really came across well.

But OMFG Dimbleby's tie. 

Many conscientious objectors were braver than the conscripts who were sent to war imo.

Saw you at the BP Garage earlier Gatso, you looked in a rush mate.

Ian, how did Griffin's ad hom attack on Straw's dad lend any weight at all to his arguments?  The only thing he did during QT was confirm himself as a racist, holocaust-denying, homophobic bigot.  Why should the rest of the panel not gang up on him?  It was actually refreshing to see all the different parties agreeing with each other and finding a common ground (until they started trying to score points off each other again).  Nice to see Griffin bringing the country together against him.

I found Question time failed on so many levels last night.

They just didn't seem to allow Griffin to answer the questions without being interrupted or heckled by other members of the panel / audience. The whole show seemed to be attack on the BNP and dig up shit from his/BNP's past, the objective was not to make it about the BNP's past or views on stuff not asked by the audience but simply to find out their views on current issues (as Dimbledumb tried to point out a few times but failed).

We all know BNP are utter scum but they he will have gained sympathy and more votes from this sham debate.

I agree to an extent... Why ask him awkward questions and then not give him the rope to hang himself by allowing him to answer ?  ridic !

Also, Jack Straw was awesome when quizzing Griffin about his holocaust denial ... "Answer it, I am the justice minister, I will allow you to speak", then when Griffin started on about the French etc, Straw says "It's ok, I will sort that for you as well"

Overall, I felt I was left a little cheated last night, I dont think the other panellists harmed Griffin or his party as much as they should have done because they were far more concerned with trying to make themselves look good by saying what the baying crowd wanted to hear.

I would really like to see a one hour long interview with Griffin done by someone like Darcus Howe ... In fact I would pay damn good money to see that !

Much sooner see him go on 'Have I got news for you' - he would get destroyed

Jack Straw seemed to be obsessed with telling us he is from Jewish decent and not answering if Labours immigration policy had anything to do with the rise in popularity for the BNP. If wont answer questions how can he expect Griffen to?

Jack Straw - YOUR A COMPLETE ****. and cannot tell anyone about justice.

Jack Straw, former Foreign Secretary, was famously President of Leeds University Union in 1967-68. Whilst President, Straw played a role in leading a student sit-in in June 1968.[1] In 2000, a motion was passed at the LUU Annual General Meeting strongly criticising Straw, then Home Secretary, for his part in the Asylum and Immigration Bill, the attempted removal of trial by jury (for some defendants) and legal aid in many cases, the anti-terrorism bill, the curfew on teenagers, mandatory drug testing for criminal suspects, and his attitude towards cannabis and tuition fees. Simon Rothstein, who proposed the motion, noted that the organisations that have condemned Straw included the Bar Council. He also pointed out that Mrs Thatcher had said, "I trust Jack Straw. He is a very fair man." The motion revoked Jack Straw's life membership of the union, banned him from the union building and called on the university to withdraw Straw's honorary degree.[2]

In September 2007, the Communications and Internal Affairs Officer, Neil Mackenzie, put forward a motion to reinstate Jack Straw's name on the Presidents' Board in the Old Bar, but this fell at Union Council.[3] In November 2007, a motion was put to a referendum of the entire student body over whether to reinstate Jack Straw's membership of the union and have his name returned to the Presidents' Board. The motion passed by 1,175 votes to 423, meaning Jack Straw's life membership will soon be reinstated and his name returned to the board of former Presidents.[4][5]

Any explanation as to why this makes a Jack Straw a complete **** and removes his right to tell anyone about justice? As unimpressive as he was last night I don't see the relevance of this article.

There's the look of love if ever I saw it.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/features/d/content/images/2009/10/23/question_time_griffin_greer_626x260.jpg)

Most of the show descended into a childish mudslinging episode and that was a real shame. Trying to discredit Nick Griffin and squabbling about history wasted the opportunity for progressive political debate about modern day Britain. The emergence of the BNP highlights genuine issues in this country which mainstream politicians need to take seriously and address. Typical of this government and of Jack Straw to deny there is such a problem. Sayeeda Warsi was the only panelist who embraced this point and urged further debate on the matter.

I think there was a beautiful aspect to last night's show though. As both Bonny Greer and Sayeeda Warsi radiated intelligence and debated skillfully. Anybody needing confirmation about the value of multiculturalism got it from this show. Britain has come a long way by embracing diversity and here we had the demonstable proof. Two women from ethnic backgrounds totally outclassing the bumbling "indigenous" males who spent much of the time arguing about who's dad was the hardest back in the war. This wouldn't have been possible in Churchill's Britain or indeed in many countries around the world today.

Agree about Griffin's WTF lizard-tongue. Gave me the fucking creeps.

 :dontask:

Dan his 'ad hom' attack didnt do anything to add weight to his arguments.I just loved the way Straw squirmed like an oily toad,

Cheers Terry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8322322.stm

hard to disagree..i read the times this morning which outlined these point.s

Hard to disagree?  He's a racist holocaust-denying homophobe.  Why didn't he answer the questions he was asked instead of trying to deflect and avoid answering them.  These weren't open-ended questions, they had yes or no answers.  Instead he just denied everything, even stuff that is on video that everyone's seen.  He deserved a public lynching, and the best case for the prosecution was himself every time he opened his vile mouth to talk.

but isnt that what all politicians do?

While I am not a Jack Straw fan, I think that I would find the nazi Holocaust denier more objectionable than the Jew.

Only ones with something to hide when the question is "Do you deny the Holocaust?"

I thought he answered that

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20091023/video/vuk-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-blasts-bbc-o-49bfa63.html

I agree with what he says here... ;hide;

My only complaint about the lynch mob is, why no rope ?

Nope.  He came out with some bollocks that he couldn't because of the law, and was told by the Secretary of State for Justice that he wouldn't face prosecution for his answer.  Instead Griffin spoke about Jews being killed on the front line, and didn't answer the question about the Holocaust.

+1

Its actually probs + a lot more, but people are scared to put forward their real opinions...

I agree with him and the times that the format of the show was changed for his appearnece.

Calm down and actually read what people say.

I agree with what you're saying there, the format was changed for his appearance - but that's not the sum of what he said.  Others on here are actually agreeing with what he said in general.

"I am not a racist."  Is what Nick Griffin said:

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/griffin.jpg)

Oh, OK.

Will the real Nick Griffin please stand up

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Profile-of-Nick-Griffin.php

I would have preferred to see the programme stick with it's more 'usual' format. It was pretty clear before it started that that was not going to be the case, after reading the slant put on the biogs for the other guests. But Griffin would have seen those in advance and known what to expect.

Overall, I think Griffin himself was responsible for how he came across, not the BBC. The comment about Jack Straw's father was a low blow, completely irrelevant, and didn't do Griffin any favours at all - I'm surprised he didn't try a bit harder to come across as a more 'reasonable' person - I was expecting a lot more spin tbh.

Sledge - why would anyone be scared to voice their real opinions concerning the format of a TV show?

I don't think you have ever posted anything anywhere as toleys as this, and you have in the past posted some shit.

Jockipedia - Toley

A jobby,a keech.Heh guess whit,wee Shuggy did a big toley in his keks at school the day. The hale class wis mingin so it wis.


Geo

No idea what you're talking about, but re-read the thread.  There are a number of people who agree with Nick Griffin's stance and opinions on a number of things. 

The only agreement I can see from others with Griffin was in regards to the formatting of the show.........................and you were in agreement.

Geo

wooshed me too

[ ] that's difficult  :P

Geo

lol

Most definitely, this is alot of the problem, people scared to have their own views and just becoming puppets.

Made me laugh when Nick said that seeing two men kissing in public makes you uncomfortable. Majority of the puppets in the crowd boo'd.. I'm not being funny, but it's not the most pleasant site, and it does make me feel slightly uncomfortable/grossed out to see it. Call me a homophobic too if you like.

ya homo

Makes me physically sick when I see it.

shrewdies have to watch flushy do it as part of the staking agreement

girls are ok though?

yes

Never seen girls kissing in the street.

How long do you have to stare at a gay couple kissing for the nausea to come on?  I don't feel comfortable watching anyone kissing in public (unless I've got a really good hiding place).  This is a respect issue rather than a homosexual issue though isn't it?  Overly moist public displays of affection is a big wrong un' whoever's doing it.   I think and out of respect for the people around you, one should restrict displays of affection to a cheeky wink, holding hands, or a crafty hand job through a hole in the mans trouser pocket.  

get yr self down south

Where do u think I live?

how many guesses do i get?

Its nice that you have managed to found common ground the the leader of the leader of Britain's biggest Racist/Nazi party, he probably likes dog racing too. How do you fell about immigrants kissing.

Guys kissing in the street = sick/gross/uncomfortable.. only thing going through my head is pass me the sick bucket/

Guy and Girl tongues down throat over the top in street = get a room is the only thought going through my head.

In our country or out of it?

Seriously though, I hope he does like dog racing.

Most blokes on here feel the same way, just that people like me and Rooks couldn't give 2 fks about telling people what we think.

I don't mind if people wanna be gay, not at all. I just don't wanna see it.

If you listen to the former leader of the National Front it seems Nick Griffin has no problems kissing men in public.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKzinaDkUtM

ffs howe got tore a new arsehole by joan rivers....

do people wanna be gay or are they gay?

so would you ban gays kissing in public?

If I got the paperwork infront of me to ban gays kissing in public, then I would sign it.

Send it

i think i'd just turn the other cheek  ;)

Seeing blokes kissing in public is something makes people uncomfortable because it has long been a taboo but it's not a big deal, just learn to be more tolerant.

I really hope the idea that more people want to support Nick Griffin but are afraid to do so is wrong. The man embodies everything a reasonable human being shouldn't be.

This is a huge statement to make and present as fact, Cos, and one you can't possible be sure of by any means. Or do you just assume that is the case because it seems reasonable to presume that most blokes think in the same way as you and Rookie do?

From the opinions I'm getting from blondes on msn, I'd think it's a fair enough statement.

In fact only Kinboshi has said he likes watching men kiss in the street.

I am tolerant of it, like I havent beaten anyone up for it, just don't like it and wouldn't want a kid to stumble past it.

 I think what they are saying is as hetrosexual men the sight of 2 men kissing just doesnt appeal to them and I assume most hetrosexual men would feel the same

I think its safe to say most heterosexual men are uncormfortable seeing gay men kiss.

do you?

??? Why on earth not? (presuming you're talking about just kissing and nothing more)

+1

I didn't say I like watching men kiss in the street, but it doesn't bother me.  If I see a straight couple kissing in the street, I tend to look away as it's not much of a spectator sport - same if it's a gay couple.  Nick Griffin has issues with gay men holding hands in the street.  Grow up is what I say to him.


What?  It's not contagious!  1 in 10 people are gay, so for every 100 people on blonde, ten of them are gay.  Do you know how insulting and ignorant your views sound?

I'd much rather a child saw two men kissing than them being exposed to homophobic or racist abuse.  I guess we'll have to differ on this one.

The start to the show was particularly puzzling ..... all and sundry were desperately trying to 'claim' Winston Churchill for 'themselves'.

Griffin, the Tory, and the Lib all waxed lyrical .... and some American Afro-Carib woman (what was her presence all about?) sat there wondering who the phuqq they were even on about.

However, Jack Straw attempted to re-write British history with his portrayal of Winnie as some sort of wonderful Obama figure that led a Crusade against the rise of Fascism ...... well sorry Jack, World War Two was all about The British Empire going to war with a rival empire, that had invaded the soil of one of it's allies - political ideology had bugger all to do with it.

About the only time that Straw shut up in his quest to illustrate he was the bestest anti-Fascist in the whole wide world, was when Griffin pointed out his father was in the RAF, and fought in WW2 - whilst Mr Straw's daddy went to jail for refusing to fight ...... a rather damning retort to Jack's diatribe that all the British people were united in their quest to defeat the Nazis!

So there we had it, Mr Churchill was claimed by all sides - and, according to Mr Straw, was a wonderful, totally PC, figure that could rival Gandalf himself.

Well sorry, once again, Jack - but Churchill believed in Empire, was beside himself with rage when India "was given away", and was such a 'Liberal' that at the Queen's Coronation - when asked, "who is that funny little man sitting next to the Queen of Tonga", replied, "that's her dinner, dear boy".

Apart from that, the whole show reminded me of the fat boy (literally) getting bullied by all the other kids in the playground at lunchtime, at Junior School.

If they'd actually allowed Fat Nick to speak - I think he would have done far more damage to his own 'reputation' and that of the BNP, through his own words ..... however did he get a degree at Cambridge?

I would imagine an hour long interview with Jeremy Paxman - or Ian Hislop - would have done a far better demolition job on NG, and his 'Party',  than that bunch of gimps on the QT panel last night.

All in all a rather silly programme which illustrated the paucity of ideas behind NG and the BNP, and further highlighted how far the two main political parties (you couldn't include the Liberals in a school fete commitee ) have drifted even further away from the electorate.

And the most irksome thing was having to listen to a Tory ...... who actually talked a lot of sense (Maggie would be/should be turning in her grave)!

and before any 1 jumps on the rookie is homophobic bandwagon

(http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/cia260895/gaylove.jpg)

Edited highlights of last night's show.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

spooky how they get the message across

hhahahahaah...

fwiw, this hug was in privacy of my our vegas house, and not in public.

I generally keep my views on this sort of stuff to myself as they are a bit more hard line than most people's.

The reason I say I wouldn't want a kid to stumble past it is because when I was about 11 years old I was walking out of sainsbury's with my dad and there stood two blokes pulling. I felt sick for weeks and I was just an 11 year old kid so would expect other children to be disturbed by that sort of stuff.

I don't know how you draw a parallel between this and racist/homophobic abuse. I think neither are acceptable

nice little cottage was it ?

whilst in public

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homophobe

lol @ Rooks gettin the gay jokes in a pic with JONES & FLUSHY!!

a fun time was had by all

(http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/cia260895/ladyboys.jpg)

ZOMG, a picture of Tom hitthehole Middleton out of the house!

I don't like seeing anybody kissing in public, its disgusting whether its a heterosexual couple or a couple of blokes, but if straight people can do it then I have no issue at all with gays doing it.

I always find it quite comical how so many heterosexual guys are petrified at the thought of being near a gay man, I think if I was ever about to get the shit kicked out of me by a group of guys I would probably start mincing around and do a John Inman impression.

I'm not scared of being around a gay guy - don't think anyones said that! I have a few friends that happen to be gay, including Jonesy and Dempsey, but I don't feel uncomfortable when around them (so long as they aren't kissing)

fyp

Do you know how fkin patronising your views sound. Can you provide evidence of this please. Or is it old headmaster Dan at his best again?

Geo

According to most new studies, between 2% and 4% of the population is gay or lesbian. You may have heard or read the answer "10%." This number comes from a man named Alfred Kinsey, who did research in the late 1940's. There are various problems with the way he did his research, and the answer of ten percent is now considered far too high.

seeing this made me physically sick

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Geo - not going to engage you again, as last time you went off on one it helped no one. 

OK - sounds fair enough.  Do you have links to any studies?  I'm going to do a search as if the 10% figure is from a discredited study then I don't want to be quoting it.

WTF??

What are you on about?

Am I not allowed the freedom to state that I find you a lecturing busybody?

Geo

QFT

Yeah, after a brief search the figures being widely used are between 3-6% rather than the 10%. 

:)up

So of every 10 blondes how many are gay Kin?

1 in 20

even if 10% was the correct figure your statement '1 in 10 people are gay, so for every 100 people on blonde, ten of them are gay' is a shockingly bad use of statistics

using the same logic

50% of people are women so for every 100 people on blonde 50 are women

10% of people play poker so for every 100 people on blonde 10 play poker

30% of people don't use the internet so for every 100 people on blonde 30 don't use the internet

I did always wonder this but always refrained from asking because of the inevitable immature 'naming your mates' response, but are there any openly gay male poker players? I can think of some lesbian ones but dont know any gay men who play poker. 

Don't think that's really true. Obviously the  examples you give it would be incorrect to say this. But why would a person's sexuality affect someone being a member of blonde?

The statistic doesn't matter - I was merely suggesting that a not insignificant number of blonde members are gay.  I'm sure they appreciate the homophobia.

There is an openly gay man representing the forum in the LPC tonight.

Probably a lot more than you think ... however I dont think this forum is the place to start speculating and naming names ... (Apart from Flushy obv.)

He's not an openly gay poker player, but I know of one that has recently made his choice and is a regular poster on forum

unless they're open - in which case what's the problem? I have no issue with anyone naming me as a heterosexual woman.

I've been following this thread and haven't read any posts which I consider homophobic.

why would a person's gender? it shouldn't but it does. the poker world like it or not is very heavily weighted to male heterosexuals

among the large number of people I know who play poker there's only 1 that I can think of at the moment who is openly gay as compared to quite a lot that I know outside of the game

+1

No one has said anything remotely against people being gay in the first place.

Some have said they don't believe it should be seen in public.

I know of 1 gay man on here (and he plays poker) but i am not sure if everyone knows althiogh he doesnt hide it nor does he promote it

We've seen that from your posts on this thread.

Well done for coming out Ian.

Must just be me reading between the lines.

I also thought I saw people saying they'd sign a petition to ban gay couples kissing in public (as it was restricted to gay couples and not all couples, I'd suggest that would be discriminatory against gay people, no?).

Quite right too Kev - that night we spent together was special and I wouldn't want the memory spoiled by people taking the piss on here.

Can a mod lock the thread until Barry Neville comes on and gives us his views pls?

kthx

I knew you would never forget ... I bet the memory of the smell of my feet will never leave you

xxx

It's the snoring and the talking in your sleep that haunts me!

Perhaps that comment crossed the line. It does come down to what you percieve homophobia to be. Personally the last thing I want to see is 2 gay people kissing, I just personally find it a bit icky. Two lesbians kissing is ok obv. I'm not homophobic or anything, like others I have gay friends.

And I'm impressed we've got this thread to 14 pages without it spiraling out of control and becoming abusive etc :)

You've gone a bit Nick Griffin there, who wanted to change the meaning of 'genocide' last night.

After a very quick search, found this on wikipedia (so it must be true):
Homophobia is defined as an "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals."

LOL look at them all coming out of the woodwork and claiming to have slept with me !!


although in all honesty, I have probaly slept with more male members of blonde than *** ********* anyone !!

Yes, I checked wiki too for the definition :)

But the bit about "irrational aversion". I would imagine most heterosexual people are naturally averse to gay acts. Yes, it's probably irrational, but it's "built in". It doesn't mean however that we think any less of homosexuals or wish to discriminate against them, etc.

This really made me lol and spit a bit of tea

LOL, yes I do think that being uncomfortable/not like seeing guys kissing is homophobic.. I didn't last night but when I spoke to Ling she told me of course it is and she is Womens World Champion so I couldn't argue.

However, I don't think that me being uncomfortable seeing two gay guys kissing is something that they should be offended by!

Discrimination per se is not wrong or a crime

Please stop sending me PM's ...

Thanks Hun

xxx

Nana owning Kinboshi in this thread imo.

wp on the asterisk count. made me lol

built in? Why do you say this? How many very young children do you think would naturally be averse to seeing two men kissing? I would say none. It's a learnt reaction, imo.

*Makes family fortune buzzer noise*

I felt sick as a young kid when seeing two men kiss and was taught no anti gay feelings by anyone.

I said 'very young' meaning babies and toddlers.  If it was a 'built in' reaction, we'd expect to see some children of that age react in the same way. I can't imagine that happening.

Who's Barry Neville?

Prob just easier to say babies and toddlers then.

Does this mean if babies and toddlers aren't averse to it, it's ok? cos they generally don't have a clue about what the hell is going on

a bloke who makes Julian Clary look butch !

I was just using this to query cf's contention that the reaction is 'built in' which implies that it's something you're born with. Babies and toddlers will cry if they are hurt, and probably get frightened if they see someone dressed as a scary monster, for example - those are 'built in' reactions. You can't claim something is 'built in' if it's something you've learned to react a certain way to after birth.

+1

Most interesting thread in the history of blonde imo.

My replies have been in political slant forum messages, I only play on PKR (promoting ?) how do you work that one out ?

I hate the Labour Party, and the BBC even more. It's coming out in the wash today about the hostility, does it surprise you ? Not me ?

Ever wondered about the close links between the BBC and the Labour Party? There is a revolving door between the two organisations:

Chairman Gavin Davies (later Labour adviser)
Chairman Sir Michael Lyons (previously Labour council chief)
Director General John Birt (later Labour adviser)
Director General Greg Dyke (previously Labour donor and candidate)
C.O.O Caroline Thomson (previously Roy Jenkin's aide)
Head of Political Research Bill Bush (later Labour spin doctor)
Deputy Head of ditto Catherine Rimmer (later Labour spin doctor)
Director of Strategy Ed Richards (later Labour spin doctor)
Head of Corporate Planning James Purnell (now ex Labour Minister)
Head of Northern Ireland News Tom Kelly (later Labour spin doctor)
Scottish News Editor Tim Luckhurst (previously lLabour spin doctor)
Political News Editor Joy Johnson (later Labour spin doctor)
Political Editor Andrew Marr (student Labour organiser)
Home News Editor Celia Barlow (now Labour MP)
Head of European Affairs Chris Bryant (now Labour MP)
Newsnight Producer Phil Woolas (now Labour Minister)
Foreign Correspondent Martin Sixsmith (later Labour spin doctor)
Current Affairs Reporter Ben Bradshaw (now Labour Minister)
Current Affairs Reporter Lance Price (later Labour spin doctor)
"Question Time" Editor Gill Penlington (previously Labour researcher)
Many of them actually worked for the Labour party before, after and even during their BBC employment.
There are hundreds more, all in key editorial positions.

Yeah, because 'very young children' are usually 46 years old.


It's a conditioned response.  They're 'trained' to respond that way by parents, friends and other influences. 

You calling the Labour Party "communist" invalidates all your opinions because you are obviously a Daily Mail reactionary.

Is there an ignore button on blonde? Because my time on here would be improved no end if I never read another one of your posts.

How on earth are the Labour Party communist?

Well, Nick Griffin isn't racist...and no one on this thread is homophobic, so maybe the Labour party is communist?

1st rule of communism. Nationalise the money supply. Done a damn fine job their the scum.

Comrade Brown has bankrupted the fuckin nation in case you hadn't noticed and has been embarking on a scorched earth policy since he failed to save the world (the snot picking gibbering lunatic who should be in a straight jacket).

And Kinboshi, i'm afraid I could do without reading another one of your wimpish 'PC correct shite' posts.

p.s. Mandelson - the man actually pulling the strings at the moment

In his youth, he briefly rebelled against his family's Labour tradition and in 1971 left the Labour Party Young Socialists (LPYS) to join the Young Communist League, then the youth wing of the Communist Party of Great Britain.

go down the entire cabinet you'll find similar commies.

Don't read them then.  I find your posts highly entertaining.

I thought the first rule of communism was 'don't talk about communism'?

It took 15 pages before the "PC gone mad" phrase was used (well, nearly).

That only applies to the proles.

 ;cupcake; ;cupcake; ;cupcake; ;cupcake;  ;cupcake; ;cupcake; ;cupcake; ;cupcake; ;cupcake;

This post is gold, pure gold.

I thought people like you died out when Thatcher got kicked out.

Political Correctness ie Labour have ruined this country since 1997 (and to think we all thought Labour were going to be great, caught up in the whole Britpop thing back then).

http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/

So how did it all start? Political Correctness started in a think tank (called The Frankfurt School) in Germany in 1923. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't the wonderful idea of communism spreading?

The Frankfurt school recommended (amongst other things):

   1. the creation of racism offences
   2. continual change to create confusion
   3. the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
   4. the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
   5. huge immigration to destroy national identity
   6. the promotion of excessive drinking
   7. emptying the churches
   8. an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime
   9. dependency on the state or state benefits
  10. control and dumbing down of media
  11. encouraging the breakdown of the family

Sound all too familiar? Yes - Great Britain 1997 onwards...

If the Conservatives did get back into power, nothing much would change. David Cameron has already shown his true politically correct credentials many times but none so shamelessly as when he sacked the well respected Patrick Mercer, just for speaking the truth. Patrick Mercer wasn't being a racist, he was just commenting on how in Army life you get picked on if you have some different feature whether it is black skin, ginger hair, being fat or just lazy. My Father did me a great service many years ago when pointed out that 'sticks & stones would break my bones but names would never hurt me'. Thanks for instilling some common sense in me, Dad!

But of course, political correctness has made common sense a thing of the past. If you catch a burglar in your house then it's probably best to help the poor soul by carrying your possessions to the front door lest he should trip up and hurt himself and it's you that end up in court!

"Political correctness" had to wait for 15 pages, and like buses, you get two come along at once!!

:D

I can't qoute on here but in response to claw and kin.

Yes, it will be partially a social response. But this is to be expected. Homosexuals are in the minority.

But it's mainly a chemical response. Trying to bring children into it is a bit daft. Puberty, a massive change for everyone, doesn't occur til 10+. Previous social conditioning won't really affect this process.

But that is a great article, and basically is the truth of pc bullshit.

What has PC got to do with anything we've been discussing?

Great article? 

Just read through some of the nonsense on that site, and it's not really a site you want to be quoting or using as the basis of your argument in all truth.

1. the creation of racism offences
5. huge immigration to destroy national identity
9. dependency on the state or state benefits

Wasn't this thread to do with the Bnp, um I think those issues above are sometimes discussed re the Bnp...

Well that list sounds like since 1997 to me...

1.  The creation of racism offences isn't PC!  It's about civil liberties and the rights of people to live without being oppressed or discriminated against. 

5.  Huge immigration?  The UK has always had huge immigration.  Remember your history classes and 1066?  Remember before then when the Romans came to these shores?  You're making the same arguments as Nick Griffin does!

9.  The welfare state is what makes a nation civilised and provides everyone with the opportunity to basic standards of rights and 'welfare' - such as medical care, food and shelter.

So again, what's that got to do with PC?

I guess you got me Kin...wp gg

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It's funny how easy it is to tell when someone has learnt the majority of what they know and how they think from the Daily Mail.

Talking of the welfare state.

When we were in Vegas this year for the wsop I was playing football with my 3 year old son, it was a 50:50 ball and I went in a little strongly.. I doubt I would have got a yellow card if there was a ref.

Anyways we ended up having to take him to hospital.

They wanted a credit card before even seeing him and when we left the bill was just horrendous. We were in a room which only opened from the outside and the implication was we couldn't leave until I coughed up. (I later found this not to be the case, but they do apply pressure for you to pay, but it would have been free if I had no way of paying).

It was one of the rare times I was proud to be British with our amazing NHS.

Hahahah com that you wiped your own son out. I thought me wiping out Ling at the Bash was bad enough!

the healthcare may have been free in england but you probs woulda got nicked for child abuse

a level surely?

sorry if this has been posted earier but its comedy

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

Why is it a level ?

If you dont like the NHS, go private and pay.

Our NHS is fkin amazing on the whole ... ask your ex wife, I am sure she will agree !

I get sick of people knocking the NHS, if you dont like it, dont use it ... you at least have that option.

Oh and Ps, how is the knee that was fixed by the NHS ?

is there another country in the world that wouldn't like our health system?

dont lie, it was 2-2, final minute, he was clean through open goal and you hacked him down!!!

haters of the NHS do my head in, when my mum got cancer they were brilliant now 15 years later she has secondary cancer and they are still just as good.  People who knock it can gfo imo.  Most are basing there abuse on things read in news papers or isolated incidents and choose to ignore the brilliant job they do on the most part.

Here's a nice site :-

http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/ (http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/)

LOL

wtf  it took them 2 years to sort my knee from start of grief call that good service?

If I could afford private I would have, so have no option to use it, millions cant afford private healthcare so dont have any choice!

surely as 'customer' i have the right to knock something if i dont like the service i have received, 2 consecutive visits and both times my notes go missing..

just look at the rhys situation

yes on the whole the nhs does do a superb job under the circumstances and should be praised accordingly but cmon surely anyone can see wholesale improvements have to be made.

yes its fantastic what they have done for my ex wife

I also remember the total incompetence of the hospital care while my brother was dying of cancer,truly abhorrent.

oh and there are numerous cases of people catching mrsa and dying in our hospitals.

LOL. Very good. If there were options to choose the colour of the slapping arm/bending the wrist slightly it would be A+

I dont think on the whole you could say the NHS isnt fantastic.

Hitler took the news he'd been bumped off QT for Griffin quite badly.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_EpcW6ucbo

In most countries, if you can't afford private healthcare you get no healthcare. Now thats no choice..

excellent point.

That's the point though - in this country you do have a choice because we have the NHS. What would your choice have been in you lived in the states and couldn't afford to get your knee fixed?

edit: too slow!

8m they said

I was a touch disappointed, my post didn't get you to bite, oh wait.

Lol communist Labour party, whatever credit your views had went out of the window, right there.

This thread has been great. Was going to post my views on QT and Griffin but how can i when i'm still smiling at the fact The Camel crunched his son and just comes out with "it was a 50:50 ball and i probably wouldn't have been booked for it"

it probably has:

We have all agreed that Griffin is an arse

We are divided as to whether the QT programme actually served any purpose

We have been lectured and it has been assumed, that most of us are stupid and cannot think for ourselves because some things that are acceptable to some, others cannot abide

We are divided in what is free speech and what is acceptable as ones thoughts.

We have had much retoric by the "I'm so clever" mob who would do more good by getting off their arses and actually doing something about it than spouting off on a forum.

But, I ask you, will they? the answer more than likely is no. They are the people who are happy to let others mucky their hands, and when it works, take the credit. This is because the people who really do care and do put the effort in are reluctant to take credit.

When it doesn't, they are more than quick to put the blame at someone elses door. The poor unfortunate, who tried to do something about it, gets it in the neck and and the spouters cower to avoid the flack.

Ask me about it, I've seen it and done it. I served my country for 23 years, along with minorities whether it be sexual or race along with every other minority you can mention.

I say that not in a derogatory fashion but because that is what they were. They were accepted for what they were and, very much against what the public perception was/is the soldiers took them unto the fold because they could see beyond the civvi mentality.

The only thing we were interested in was whether they could do their job or not, I can assure you there were more non gays and whites (I know some will go for the statistics side of things) hounded out the Army because they couldn't cut the mustard as opposed to their sexuality or race.

The outrage currently running through the soldiers is in regards to the connection that the BNP are trying to purvey is massive. Again they are trying to play on the "your government is not doing enough for you" ticket. Whilst the soldiers may well feel that they are not being givien the support from the government, i can assure you they are not stupid enuff to think that the BNP is the way ahead.

I suppose what I'm asking here is not to confine your views to this forum, get up and do something about it. Whether it is merely giving your vote to one of the other parties (I couldn't care less which, it's a vote against the BNP) or whether it's a manual thing, signing protests etc.

we can debate all we like, however unless we take action, we can only blame ourselves when nothing changes.

Geo

I do wish people wouldn't refer to the NHS as free - it may be 'great' but it aint free.

Also, it's a bit like football & cricket - we may have done the inventing but a large number of other countries do it so much better now.

Our NHS, yes, eez OK but why not make it excellent ? No chance as British Governments aren't very good at mkaing stuff excellent - levelling down mediocrity is their stock in trade

Just watching question time for the first time

Have to say he is incredibly articulate and clear about some views - eg Iraq - nailed Jack Straw and their ilk for their hand wringing hypocrisy imo.

Probably been said already but Sayeedas clarity of thought and Bonnie to some extent really make trad white english males like Straw and the Lib dem buffoon look so retarded

He is pretty articulate, yes, especially compared with the vast majority of the other members of his party, their views flowing from ignorance as evidenced by their limited / unclear powers of expression.

Sooooo..........how come a geezer who ain't totally dumb and what can express imself ends up with the views he has? I think his views are totally nuts. Even if you really hated immigrants you could still consider his proposals nuts.

Options I can think of:

-possibly brainwashed by elders during upbringing

-had a very negative personal encounter with ethnic minority earlier in life, possibly involving eg loss of job

When you mix in:
-his ability to present any kind of argument
with
-the current government's shambles over immigration
with
-prime time debate

you get

exponential increase in their supporter base.
wp BBC

Would you rather have the current government back in at next election ?

The current loser's have bankrupted the country for generations. Thank god I don't have any kids.

Gordon Brown gets by day to day on serious medication, he's a fuckin socialist scumball looney.

Remember Labour's core support  = feckless welchers on society, not the wealth generating private sector workers.

i would personally rather have any of the 3 major parties in than the BNP at the next election
infact i would rather have most other parties in rather than the BNP
infact its hard to think of anyone i wouldnt want in ahead of the BNP

boldie?

i would rather have boldie and bolt running the country rather than the bnp

Me too. Mainstream politics have failed the country. You only have to look at them all trying to weasel out of expenses claims.

The whole system needs to change. In the meantime, i'll be voting tory to get the countries finances back on a stable footing.

wow we have finally found the last tory in scotland

fergus for chancellor. Spin up a few £Billion to get us out of the recession.

Very poor point actually because it's simply not true for most civilised countries.


The NHS is fine, don't get me wrong, but go to Scandinavia or Holland and the health system is quite a bit better. Obviously you'd have to pay more taxes to get it up to that level though.

I did say MOST countries.

Greekstein, WTF were you doing on the programme? 18 mins 20 secs in  :P

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nft24/Question_Time_22_10_2009/

So I took a look at the Bnp website, and their policies...

IMMIGRATION – time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

Um I agree with this, bring on the flaming?

Ahhh and the next one...

EUROPE – back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket – political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home

Again seems fair enough to me...k off to bed now, I await the abuse tomorrow....

lol yum

NITE NITE XX

 :D Still here, might get people talking I guess lol, but really what i've read so far exactly what people are saying, I will review the rest tomorrow and see if worth cut/paste on here!

What do you consider native British people, we are all without exception a mixture of all kinds on ancestory. So you going to deport all the people with Irish/Jewish/German etc background who families arrived here over a century ago. This country has had mass immigration since Victorian times, it is as much part of our culture as football, drinking and curry.

Im not stating anyting, im quoting the Bnp policies which this thread is somewhat about, and feel we should discuss, which you are doing...fairplay...oh by the way I HATE FUCKING CURRY!  rotflmfao

You said you agreed with it, so I presume you share their view on this matter.

Well I agree with both the above policies, so sue me! who says anything about deporting Irish/Jewish/German people???

sledge invited me to the english defence league rally next week in leeds fwiw re his views

i was hoping u were gonna get eaten by a zebra or something in africa

My point was we are all ethnic minorities when it comes down to it and there is no such thing as someone who is truly British. So how are we going to be in the minority?

Tbf I think Rio and JT are a pretty stong partnership, but can't be arsed mincing up to Leeds to show my support.

Just before I go and hit the sack, I aint spoke to this numpty in ages...get a job you fkwit!!!

which people exactly do you agree that the bit I've emboldened above should apply to then if not Irish/Jewish/German etc?

stop acting the big hard man because youve been to the pub.

you should really move out your mums house, how old are you, 37?

I moved out at 24, and was engaged and lived with someone for 7 years, have you even left the house you disgrace?

but you live with you mum now dont you?

I rent my house yeah, to a friendly Polish immigrant, and am off to Spain for a month next week, so yeah spend some time at my mums...I dont have her in stuffed in a chair "dexter style" as you do...oh and thanks for the Blonde Bash appearance m8, we all appreciated it...

everyones having a barney or throwing their toys out the pram this weekend, i think its to do with the equinox or the moon and the clocks changing and all that shit, everyone loses it it, com though

A 20 page thread and in the mods room only one post has been deleted so far, which is excellent given the subjects this thread has touched on


Now BNP policies are being quoted verbatim

This is likely to lead to some firm views, as these are controversial subjects..

Please everyone, when debating, show restraint and common sense. No flaming.


Thanks

erm ok  ;dingdell;

have you ever seen these guys at work......................... ::)

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/images/446_rogue_traders.jpg)

She just said your supper is ready, so go Lindex gooooo, oh and maybe tell the Blonde Bash peeps next time when you fail to turn up for the footy/BB/heads up/etc etc etc....THANKS!!!

no but they have seen me

This makes no sense, just leave it and lets let people have there views without derailing

Hahah nice lose/defence block...Serial killer combo = LINUX/DEXTER = LINDEX...you are a star!!!! just make sure its not a full moon!!!!!!

we should have a designated have a ruck thread, just one thread where you can say absolutely anything without it being deleted

This- maybe a different part of the forum you can only access after 500 posts or something to stop randoms we don't know being knobs.

incred idea

Bolts a dickhead

Bring it... :)up

that would be a child board obv

Not going to happen, not what blonde is about at all, and never will be.

ak o.k, thanks for clearing that up

1st rule of ruck thread - no1 talks about ruck thread?

lol

Actually quite com, now go clean your mom up!

mate, just please shut the fuck up and leave it

Is this the ruck thread?

cant talk about it mate

when sledge and linux kiss and make up, hide your eyes rooks

I told you once

I'd love some sort of ruck thread. So many ppl to hate.

com, reckon sledge has been down the pub where everyone was in unison about how the BNP are the way to go, hes got a taxi back thinking, yeah ill stick it on blonde, sod it.
ive got no problem with it tbh.

Massive hangover  ;surrender;, out at 5pm...guess im the bad guy now  /:-|

GG Lindex aswell... rotflmfao

zzzzzz

Bolt is my hero - ruck thread would be amazing.  mods would need to be banned from posting!

ruck/threaten thread imo. 500 posts to qualify and password given to people who agree to the T&C which are obv that anything goes and dont cry or press charges.
The shrewdies skype chat is a ruck chat as it is, if police monitored it me and rookles would both get arrested for threatening to dispose of one another in the most horrific ways, all in good fun tho of course.

why dont we just start a thread with 'ruling from last night'

nobody will read and we can just say what we like on it!?

nah - call the thread 'post your favourite pics of blokes kissing' imo

but then tighty Colchester Kev would be on there in a flash...

you have photographic evidence?

im confused.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but no way I'm filtering through 22 pages to check!

Thought this was amusing...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

i posted it!  its quality though, worth another watch

Haha so true.. I doubt thats the only charge I would receive either!

PS..

[  ] in good fun
[X] want you 30 feet under.

dont want reopen the whole debate, but this deserves a special mention...

Nick Griffin was due in Springburn yesterday (one of glasgows less salubrious districts) to support the BNP's candidate in the upcoming by election. Anyway he didnt show up, but while the candidate (and a huge media scrum) was waiting for him, he apparantly tried to give his hate-literature to an 82 year old ex royal engineer, who saw active service in germany towards the end of the war. Todays paper reports it :

Mr Baillie was having mixed results whipping up support. Walking past was 82-year-old James Murray, a former Royal Engineer who saw service in the Second World War, fighting his way into Nazi German territory in the Allied advance at the end of the war.

"I used to shoot people like you," Mr Murray called cheerfully to Mr Baillie.

When Mrs Griffin gave birth Nick Griffin made her change her birth plan to state that she only wanted to be nursed by a white midwife. Unbelievable man.

How did I miss the explosion of this thread!
Its immense.

So many rucks to be had!

There are so many BNP strongholds near me! I actually go drinking in one most Friday nights.

I cant believe Cos was a homoerotic voyeur when he was just 11 years old!

I never realiised Kinboshi was so politically correct, im now confused why he even talks to me!

And I would make love to little Rookles, he is so cute.

I wasnt born gay though as that is against my religous believes, Barry Neville showed me the way.  :D

LOL

hahahahaha