Rereraised on the river...what do you do here?

[The Camel]

Opponent is absolutely top class, one of the best players on Stars IMO. We are both in top 10 in chips (he is chip leader) with about 100 left when thsi hand crops up... What do you do here?


okerStars Game #7130800497: Tournament #36191601, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit -
Level VII (100/200) - 2006/11/22 - 16:55:43 (ET)
Table '36191601 14' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: superjacopo (3235 in chips)
Seat 3: severine (7475 in chips)
Seat 4: petejoha (4410 in chips)
Seat 5: PrinceTendee (19800 in chips)
Seat 6: ThE MyZeR (15570 in chips)
Seat 7: Rabscuttle (56930 in chips)
Seat 8: The Camel (23734 in chips)
Seat 9: david_a (7385 in chips)
superjacopo: posts the ante 25
severine: posts the ante 25
petejoha: posts the ante 25
PrinceTendee: posts the ante 25
ThE MyZeR: posts the ante 25
Rabscuttle: posts the ante 25
The Camel: posts the ante 25
david_a: posts the ante 25
petejoha: posts small blind 100
PrinceTendee: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [ ]
ThE MyZeR: calls 200
Rabscuttle: raises 1000 to 1200
The Camel: calls 1200
david_a: folds
superjacopo: folds
severine: folds
petejoha: folds
PrinceTendee: folds
ThE MyZeR: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Rabscuttle: checks
The Camel: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Rabscuttle: bets 1200
The Camel: calls 1200
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Rabscuttle: bets 3000
The Camel: raises 4000 to 7000
Rabscuttle: raises 4200 to 11200

[The Camel]

Ooops. This should have been in hand analysis. can you move it please Iron?

[Ironside]

he has an overpair mate i go all in

[Newmanseye]

My best guess is he has 88 or 10 10, get your money IMHO

[Dewi_cool]

he could have JJ however I have to go all in

[GlasgowBandit]

push push push!!!!!!!!

[NoflopsHomer]

I make a crying call, I can't see him 3-betting here with anything other than Jacks though. Small turn bet coupled with small re-raise on the river, giving your superlative odds. Would a player this good call an all-in with just a pair of aces or kings? If they would, then you can push, if not, I think you have to just call.

[Longy]

If he is good as you say he is, he either has it all or nothing here IMO. I call here he is most likely holding is jacks, but you just can't pass here.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Have to make a crying call.

[Dewi_cool]

having thought some more, he has  and is trying to get u off, definite all in

[Sheriff Fatman]

I call.  I don't like pushing given your rating of him.

This is such a small raise that he's sucking you in with the nuts or he's representing that to you.  It means you're either dead in the water or he knows you're capable of laying this down based on that exact read.  Given that you're a well known 'top' player aswell, that's a very plausible option so you have to call here.

I think its 50:50 whether you're beat or not so I don't commit the rest of my chips by pushing.

Sheriff

[moritzey]

If he's such a good player, I can't see him re-raising you with many hands that you would've beat. The hands that I would expect him to put you on are AJ, J9, any other two pair or a set. Depending on your table image perhaps also a busted flush draw, so I can only see him making that move with a very strong hand, that would beat the majority of hands he's put you on, which comes down to the straight (highly unlikely considering the preflop action), a strong two pair (J9) or any other set. Again, considering his 5xBB preflop raise, pocket deuces, fours and sixes are quite unlikely, as is J9 ... that only leaves Jacks + higher PP, but then considering what I said about him putting you on a range, him re-raising with AA-QQ would be unlikely, so Jacks it is?

All of that said, don't think I'd be convinced enough about my reasoning here to fold, so a crying call it is.


Edit: Oh, and why I don't think he has AJ: He wouldn't give you a free card on the flop with that, as any Q or K on the turn would make the board very scary for him, no?!

[lazaroonie]

I call.  I don't like pushing given your rating of him.

This is such a small raise that he's sucking you in with the nuts or he's representing that to you.  It means you're either dead in the water or he knows you're capable of laying this down based on that exact read.  Given that you're a well known 'top' player aswell, that's a very plausible option so you have to call here.

I think its 50:50 whether you're beat or not so I don't commit the rest of my chips by pushing.

Sheriff

I agree - pushing makes no sense here. the only way he is calling your extra (allin) bet is with the nuts, so you cant win anymore money imho..

[The_Diamond]

I don't see how the villain could have anything other than Jacks here. Keith's hand looks exactly like 99, so why isn't a good player afraid of his river raise?

Going all in is completely insane. We are playing against an excellent player and have been 3 bet on the river holding the 3rd nuts.

It's a tiny raise indicating he wants a call. Given the action thus far it looks exactly like pocket Jacks or he could have been getting goofy with 3-5 but I don't think he'd check the flop with 3-5.

Any player worth his salt is smooth calling Keith's river raise with an overpair and probably an underset too.

I think you could concievably fold the river but if you think he could 3 bet the river with 44/66 then call, but even against bad player you will usually never get 3 bet for the minimum by anything other than the stone cold goolies.

[Pab]

U only lose to JJ realistically, he raised an UTG limper from UTG+1, so his range is pretty solid.

However he is showing a lot of strength on the river, but i would still have to call, he doesnt have 3,5 for a straight.

It is possible he is also puttin a move on you, as cheap as it is for you to call. You checked the flop and just called his bet on the turn, what can you have to now raise the river, all other good hands before the river you either bet or raise because of the draws out there. He could put you on a busted draw, as nothing got there on the river.

Tough spot, but you gotta pay the 4.2k, and call it a cooler if he got the JJ. IMO no need to shove like some people have suggested