Title: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:09:32 PM it seems to me that these days every other post seems to be about "upcoming tournaments on blondepoker" even the live tournaments are spammed up with a message on everypage, not to forget "tonights up and coming $20 tourney only on blondepokerleugue.com etc...."
and now the blondeshop. selling hats t-shirts etc.... This site started as a forum, and i for one have enjoyed being a member for a couple of years, however i for one don't like the way it is going, maybe im being cynical or have got the wrong end of the stick but it seems on a lighter note that we are all (the members) being used as marketing tools and salesmen to promote the pokersite. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: ifm on May 23, 2006, 01:15:15 PM I woulda thought they'd be giving the merchandise away, after all you'd be a walking advert.
I have already voiced my opinion on spamming events :D The thing is we are the player base for the poker room so they have to keep us informed don't they? Personally i hate some of the changes that have occurred over recent months but i also realise they are a necessary evil, it can only get worse too. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: RED-DOG on May 23, 2006, 01:17:45 PM At the end of the day, the site costs a lot to run, and the live updates are very expensive.
I have no finacial interest in blonde, but I realise that all the services are provided to the members for free. We can't really grumble. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:19:47 PM Just to correct one thing...the site was always www.blondepoker.com that contained a forum as part of it....so the site did not start as a forum.
I am sure tikay can answer your points better than I, I'm just an unpaid volunteer but I will merely say that the site costs money, staff to pay, live updates to finance etc its only reasonable to expect a degree of commerciality as you would get from any business and a lot of memebers get a lot of fun from the cardroom Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:20:16 PM agreed red-dog, but they managed before the site was introduced.....
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:22:16 PM Did they manage? How do you know this? It might have been costing the shareholders a fortune for all we know
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:24:16 PM what my main point is, is that saying spamming is not allowed on blondepoker.com then everyone plugging tournaments is a case of the "pot calling the............" very hypocritical if u ask me
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Heid on May 23, 2006, 01:28:18 PM Interesting tack here.
I'm not jumping in as a mod, or anything other than an interested party who cares a lot about blonde and it's future. I know that bandwidth costs money, travelling expenses cost money, and the site has to be able to recoup some of these costs. Spamming is repugnant to some, and aceptable to others - after all you don't have to read it do you? I suppose DC and TK could decide to make it a forum where you pay in order to post and see pics etc, but I don't think they would want to do that. Yeah it as free, but it's a lot bigger now, and running things to the level (certainly live updates) that we are accustomed to can't be cheap - not if you want to do it properly. Think of it as the Beeb - they don't allow advertising (ok for an entirly different reason), but they advertise their own stuff - and rightly so - why shouldn't they? My feeling on spamming blonde "stuff" isn't important, but your take (the forum as a whole) is important - but before you start to say how bad it is, you have to look at the alternatives that would have to be in place if spamming didn't occur. Not having a go at anyone, or anything, just being Devil's Advocate :) Heid Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Mr F on May 23, 2006, 01:29:45 PM Quote what my main point is, is that saying spamming is not allowed on blondepoker.com then everyone plugging tournaments is a case of the "pot calling the............" very hypocritical if u ask me But isn't it more a case of " we won't spam on your site so please don't spam on ours?" Blonde representatives won't go on other forums etc to spam events on blonde and doesn't expect other sites to do the same here. I don't think anyone said anything about promoting/spamming Blonde events on the blonde site/forum? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:31:36 PM Well The Baron is the only one who spams the BPL tournaments, after all his paid job is to run BPL etc. Lots of people play in the tournaments against other blondeites and now in the new league so ti would be strange if it wasn't mentioned on blonde's forum.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:32:55 PM i enjoy the forum immensly, just worried theres too many people trying to make a killing from it, thats all, breaking even is the main objective of every business, which blondepoker has become.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: RED-DOG on May 23, 2006, 01:33:15 PM what my main point is, is that saying spamming is not allowed on blondepoker.com then everyone plugging tournaments is a case of the "pot calling the............" very hypocritical if u ask me Look at it like this. If you paid to advertise your used Ford Escort in the Auto Trader magazine, would you want several other people's used Ford Escort's to be included in the add that you paid for? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Claw75 on May 23, 2006, 01:34:41 PM Is it really that bad? I'd hardly say 'every other post' was about blonde tournaments/merchandise etc. I've only been here for a few months, but am 100% behind the blonde ventures and hope they do very well. The 'spam' doesn't actually bother me at all but, if it did, I would see a few advertising messages on the forum as a very small price to pay for everything I have got, and continue to get, out of being a member of this community.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:35:05 PM just worried theres too many people trying to make a killing from it, chance would be a fine thing, just off to buy a new yacht. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:36:23 PM and blonde isn't just the forum...there's masses of stuff on the main site, just so happens that the forum is very popular and the first port of call for most people
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Royal Flush on May 23, 2006, 01:37:56 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff?
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 23, 2006, 01:40:46 PM Would that be this site? (http://www.blondepoker.com) :D
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Acidmouse on May 23, 2006, 01:43:13 PM I more than anyone dislike constent spam and many sites are ruined by the over spamming of affiliate links. Never really noticed the ones on blonde forums, yes promoting their events happens but I dont really consider this as spam more as an reminder to get involved in the community and help with the running costs.
As long as we dont get pop-ups or overrun with other poker rooms links I am happy. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 01:44:39 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? this was suggested at the outset but it was decided to wait until the cardroom was established. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:46:00 PM , yes promoting their events happens but I dont really consider this as spam more as an reminder to get involved in the community and help with the running costs. oink oink Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: MrMojoRisin on May 23, 2006, 01:46:30 PM I have been reading the forum for a long time but only recently signed up. I like the chages to be honest. It shows that the site is moving forward and that the site is active. In the past the blond main site seemed to be a bit static but now it seems things are improving. There is no point having a poker room if it is not advertised and if you can't advertise it here, where are you going to advertise it?
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: totalise on May 23, 2006, 01:48:54 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? no Why should they feel the need to hide their poker-stuff off in some child board? They should be able to post what they want when they want without members complaining that they have to suffer such terrible insults as not being forced to read the post(s)! Why is everyone so keen to get something for nothing? Why aren't people happy that the founder members of this site are trying to find avenues to bring more money into the entity so they can: a) offer better (more frequent) live updates b) have a poker-room where blondes can play together, and where they can host blonde specific tournaments c) not operate this fine website at a substantial cost to themselves each year! I dont know whether people had it too good in the beginning, but as a relative newcomer all I can say is that the price that people are seemingly paying for the service is a minute fraction of the actual value of the benefits they get, and it frustrates me that people find time to complain about such things, yet are so happy to reap the benefits of being a member here (for free) I dont know for a fact, but Im pretty sure that Tikay is about as honest as they come, and he has been very forward in his intimations about the cost of running Blonde, and if it suddenly starts making a "killing".. then its no more then he deserves (not that he would keep it all anyways, I'd be confident a pretty good % of that money would find its way back to the members) Alrite, I'm getting off my soap-box now.. best wishes Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Colchester Kev on May 23, 2006, 01:51:22 PM I dont know for a fact, but Im pretty sure that Tikay is about as honest as they come, and he has been very forward in his intimations about the cost of running Blonde, and if it suddenly starts making a "killing".. then its no more then he deserves (not that he would keep it all anyways, I'd be confident a pretty good % of that money would find its way back to the members) Of course it would, the fish would play more poker :D :D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Rod Paradise on May 23, 2006, 01:52:56 PM :goodpost: ;iagree; ;applause;
OOPS - With Totalise. Although Flushy has a point... :D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: byronkincaid on May 23, 2006, 01:53:34 PM Starting Weds 24th and every Wednesday thereafter 7PM BST: $5 NLHE freezeout - 15 minute level up on the blinds Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: LukieD on May 23, 2006, 01:54:04 PM Spam is unsolicited advertising eg. random people coming here and advertising their products without permission. A poker site advertising THEIR OWN poker skin is not spam. Running a website as dynamic as this can cost a lot and it is only fair that they are able to advertise their product on their site. I personally do not find the adverts on here for blonde events offensive. In fact, in my opinion Blonde is one of the most spam-free gambling orientated sites I have been to.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 01:56:03 PM nice post totalise, i agree totally, i just think some rules apply for some, and not others, i know that the site needs to advertise here, but sometimes it is incessant,
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: RED-DOG on May 23, 2006, 01:58:57 PM , yes promoting their events happens but I dont really consider this as spam more as an reminder to get involved in the community and help with the running costs. oink oink You have to admit though, action man does make a very pertinent point here, especially the second oink. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Royal Flush on May 23, 2006, 01:59:50 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? this was suggested at the outset but it was decided to wait until the cardroom was established. A league not established enough? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Pab on May 23, 2006, 02:07:32 PM I am fairly new to blonde and have no problem with the advertising for the blonde poker room. I have been to a few festival events and have seen first hand the hard work that goes in to producing the live updates. I mainly play blue square for tribeca network because of the nightly $100f/o or the grovesnor sattelites. Apart from that i have opened a blonde poker account to play all other tourny's and cash games on tribeca.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: The Truth on May 23, 2006, 02:20:09 PM My tuppence worth
It seems perfectly logical for Blonde to promote its own events on its own forum. It might take time for those of us who are constantly frightened by change in any shape or form to adapt, but adapt we must. It costs a fortune to keep things up and running and why should people be concerned how much (if anything) others are making. Surely its a case of 'a friends gain is nae loss'? Also if people are able to benefit from being gainfully employed thats a positive bonus in my book too. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: b4matt on May 23, 2006, 02:22:40 PM Is it really that bad? I'd hardly say 'every other post' was about blonde tournaments/merchandise etc. I've only been here for a few months, but am 100% behind the blonde ventures and hope they do very well. The 'spam' doesn't actually bother me at all but, if it did, I would see a few advertising messages on the forum as a very small price to pay for everything I have got, and continue to get, out of being a member of this community. I feel exactly the same. This is a buisness tho, and Tikay and all the shareholders surely need to cover there costs... why would they run blonde otherwise. The live updates which are enjoyed by hundreds of people must cost a fortune to run. Tikay is one of the most frank and honest people i've ever met, and the success of blonde is a great testament to him, and to all it's members. For blonde to keep going i'll play on Blonde poker and support blonde in other ventures that help cover the running costs. What's the alternative to Spamming-advertising? Do you want to pay an annual fee? I for one would quite happily pay a usage fee, i get great pleasure from blonde and it's collective knowledge is amazing. LONG LIVE BLONDE 8) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 02:26:01 PM Deary deary me, well I suppose we can't please all of the people, all of the time. I am currently playing a comp, so will reply to all the comments, complaints & negative Posts one at a time, during the afternoon, & folllow it up with an overview. But I fancy this is gioing to be a case of "agreeing to differ". Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: ACE2M on May 23, 2006, 02:27:03 PM i don't mind it, i like playing the blonde tourneys and i'd as soon give my rake to the blonde owners than anyone else, especially as i have used their forum for free for a year or two now.
TK and DC are both business men who i am sure intended to open a card room all along and very cleverly built a strong customer base before opening it. Astute business and fair play to them. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: The Baron on May 23, 2006, 02:28:44 PM The most common misconception here is that "blonde did ok before" so why advertise now? Blonde may have seemed to have done ok in the past, but in actual fact the site/updates survived on the money ploughed in (yes ploughed) by Dave and tikay. Fact.
Although it would be lovely to think they have bottomless pockets, the fact of the matter is, like the rest of us, they dont. I challenge anyone in their shoes (who isn't Roman Abramovich) to carry on with this site without making money from it to cover the costs. These two guys built this place with their bare hands (and their own wallets) from the ground up. Perhaps this is a bit extreme... but would it really be fair to let them go broke running it just so we (the free members) don't see blonde being promoted here? Live updates cost a bucket load. Ask one anyone who has bought their own skin how much that costs. I'm surprised blonde has gone this long without the promotion to be honest. Now saying this purely as a poker player... anything/anywhere that promotes a place where I can play against my fellow blondes, Dave, tikay, Pot Limit Hold'em World Champions etc, can never be considered bad. The ability to play Dave and tikay for $10 on a Monday night? US guys are luckier to be blondes now than we ever were in the past. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: b4matt on May 23, 2006, 02:32:57 PM The most common misconception here is that "blonde did ok before" so why advertise now? Blonde may have seemed to have done ok in the past, but in actual fact the site/updates survived on the money ploughed in (yes ploughed) by Dave and tikay. Fact. :goodpost:Although it would be lovely to think they have bottomless pockets, the fact of the matter is, like the rest of us, they dont. I challenge anyone in their shoes (who isn't Roman Abramovich) to carry on with this site without making money from it to cover the costs. These two guys built this place with their bare hands (and their own wallets) from the ground up. Perhaps this is a bit extreme... but would it really be fair to let them go broke running it just so we (the free members) don't see blonde being promoted here? Live updates cost a bucket load. Ask one anyone who has bought their own skin how much that costs. I'm surprised blonde has gone this long without the promotion to be honest. Now saying this purely as a poker player... anything/anywhere that promotes a place where I can play against my fellow blondes, Dave, tikay, Pot Limit Hold'em World Champions etc, can never be considered bad. The ability to play Dave and tikay for $10 on a Monday night? US guys are luckier to be blondes now than we ever were in the past. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: rivered on May 23, 2006, 02:38:19 PM I'm more than happy with things the way they are - you don't have to read the promo / info messages if you don't want to. The site provides a great wealth of information and entertainment all free of charge, and a lot goes on behind the scenes. The only thing which would annoy me is pop-ups, which we don't get.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2006, 03:07:52 PM I've been a member since the beginning of the year, & i've been impressed at how the site & the forum has evolved. Tikay & DC have stamped their personalities on the site, & IMO that is unique & must be applauded. The updates are without doubt the best there is. The forum is unequaled anywhere, the Mods put in fantastic work, the contributors are always interesting & entertaining.
No complaints from me. Keep doing what your doing, its working well, Great job Blondepoker. Tonji. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Sunday8pm on May 23, 2006, 03:15:18 PM it seems to me that these days every other post seems to be about "upcoming tournaments on blondepoker" even the live tournaments are spammed up with a message on everypage, not to forget "tonights up and coming $20 tourney only on blondepokerleugue.com etc...." and now the blondeshop. selling hats t-shirts etc.... This site started as a forum, and i for one have enjoyed being a member for a couple of years, however i for one don't like the way it is going, maybe im being cynical or have got the wrong end of the stick but it seems on a lighter note that we are all (the members) being used as marketing tools and salesmen to promote the pokersite. you were a blonde member before the forum was launched then? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: yt on May 23, 2006, 03:22:52 PM Whoever owns/pays for the site can do what they like.
We are lucky they run a forum for us. If their numbers go down they will change soon enough. Thanks Blonde for running a great site. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 03:29:39 PM it seems to me that these days every other post seems to be about "upcoming tournaments on blondepoker" even the live tournaments are spammed up with a message on everypage, not to forget "tonights up and coming $20 tourney only on blondepokerleugue.com etc...." and now the blondeshop. selling hats t-shirts etc.... This site started as a forum, and i for one have enjoyed being a member for a couple of years, however i for one don't like the way it is going, maybe im being cynical or have got the wrong end of the stick but it seems on a lighter note that we are all (the members) being used as marketing tools and salesmen to promote the pokersite. OK, lets start at the beginning. "every other Post seems to be about upcoming tournaments on blondepoker". No it is not. Maybe "every other Post", we can agree, is a figure of speech, but consider this. I don't know if regular Members can access the Forum Stats, but they tell us this...... Currently, the Average number of Posts daily is 956.6. I don't have figures for how many blonde "spam" Posts there are each day, but I doubt if it's 5 a day, averaged over a week or so. (Tell me if I'm wrong). If I'm about right in my guesstimate, that's around 1%, or every 100th Post. Argue with me for a % or to if you wish, but I ain't a mile out. The average number of new Topics daily is 44.5. Again, I don't know how many of those are blonde "spams", but, averaged over a week, I doubt if it's more than 1 a day. That, again, is around 2%, every 50th new Topic. I don't feel that is over-cooking it. "Live Tournaments (Updates, I assume you mean) are spammed every page..." No they are not. Someone want to count them? We got it wrong - badly wrong - once, the first weekend we had the Cardroom, when we were at Luton. I apologised, & have not made the same mistake again. We DO spam them, but not, in my opinion overly. After EVERY live Update though, there are generally many "thank you" Posts from Members who have enjoyed them. Given that they (the Live Updates) are free, that heartens us. They are a work-in-progress, & we have improved them immensely so far, but we know they can get a lot better, & the plans are laid to do so. But they will always include some blonde spams, & some spams for our badging sponsors. They, after all, pay for that right. "this site started as a forum". No it did not. The Forum was introduced, 6 weeks or so after the site opened, as an afterthought. It was never, ever, planned to have a Forum, & there was much heated argument amongst the Shareholders as to whether we should start a Forum. The shop? Count the number of Posts made by Members asking if they can buy blonde Merchandise. There are hundreds of them. We will spam it now & then - today was the first time ever. The Merchandise story is this. We decided to give a bunch of it away, to promote the site, & we did, we spent a few grand on it. Then folks started asking if they could buy it, so we decided to open a shop. It's no big deal, it will probably fail, & we will shut it if it does. Better to have tried & failed.... More to follow. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 03:34:05 PM it seems to me that these days every other post seems to be about "upcoming tournaments on blondepoker" even the live tournaments are spammed up with a message on everypage, not to forget "tonights up and coming $20 tourney only on blondepokerleugue.com etc...." and now the blondeshop. selling hats t-shirts etc.... This site started as a forum, and i for one have enjoyed being a member for a couple of years, however i for one don't like the way it is going, maybe im being cynical or have got the wrong end of the stick but it seems on a lighter note that we are all (the members) being used as marketing tools and salesmen to promote the pokersite. "(I) have been a Member for a couple of years". blonde went on air January 7th 2005, that's 16 months ago. It crashed the first weekend, & the Forum began a few weeks later, as I recall, maybe early February 2005. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 23, 2006, 03:35:33 PM Easy tiger
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: matt674 on May 23, 2006, 03:35:58 PM it seems to me that these days every other post seems to be about "upcoming tournaments on blondepoker" even the live tournaments are spammed up with a message on everypage, not to forget "tonights up and coming $20 tourney only on blondepokerleugue.com etc...." and now the blondeshop. selling hats t-shirts etc.... This site started as a forum, and i for one have enjoyed being a member for a couple of years, however i for one don't like the way it is going, maybe im being cynical or have got the wrong end of the stick but it seems on a lighter note that we are all (the members) being used as marketing tools and salesmen to promote the pokersite. OK, lets start at the beginning. "every other Post seems to be about upcoming tournaments on blondepoker". No it is not. Maybe "every other Post", we can agree, is a figure of speech, but consider this. I don't know if regular Members can access the Forum Stats, but they tell us this...... Currently, the Average number of Posts daily is 956.6. I don't have figures for how many blonde "spam" Posts there are each day, but I doubt if it's 5 a day, averaged over a week or so. (Tell me if I'm wrong). If I'm about right in my guesstimate, that's around 1%, or every 100th Post. Argue with me for a % or to if you wish, but I ain't a mile out. The average number of new Topics daily is 44.5. Again, I don't know how many of those are blonde "spams", but, averaged over a week, I doubt if it's more than 1 a day. That, again, is around 2%, every 50th new Topic. I don't feel that is over-cooking it. "Live Tournaments (Updates, I assume you mean) are spammed every page..." No they are not. Someone want to count them? We got it wrong - badly wrong - once, the first weekend we had the Cardroom, when we were at Luton. I apologised, & have not made the same mistake again. We DO spam them, but not, in my opinion overly. After EVERY live Update though, there are generally many "thank you" Posts from Members who have enjoyed them. Given that they (the Live Updates) are free, that heartens us. They are a work-in-progress, & we have improved them immensely so far, but we know they can get a lot better, & the plans are laid to do so. But they will always include some blonde spams, & some spams for our badging sponsors. They, after all, pay for that right. "this site started as a forum". No it did not. The Forum was introduced, 6 weeks or so after the site opened, as an afterthought. It was never, ever, planned to have a Forum, & there was much heated argument amongst the Shareholders as to whether we should start a Forum. The shop? Count the number of Posts made by Members asking if they can buy blonde Merchandise. There are hundreds of them. We will spam it now & then - today was the first time ever. The Merchandise story is this. We decided to give a bunch of it away, to promote the site, & we did, we spent a few grand on it. Then folks started asking if they could buy it, so we decided to open a shop. It's no big deal, it will probably fail, & we will shut it if it does. Better to have tried & failed.... More to follow. So if i wanted to buy a blondepoker t-shirt where would be the best place to visit? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Nem on May 23, 2006, 03:36:25 PM The most common misconception here is that "blonde did ok before" so why advertise now? Blonde may have seemed to have done ok in the past, but in actual fact the site/updates survived on the money ploughed in (yes ploughed) by Dave and tikay. Fact. Although it would be lovely to think they have bottomless pockets, the fact of the matter is, like the rest of us, they dont. I challenge anyone in their shoes (who isn't Roman Abramovich) to carry on with this site without making money from it to cover the costs. These two guys built this place with their bare hands (and their own wallets) from the ground up. Perhaps this is a bit extreme... but would it really be fair to let them go broke running it just so we (the free members) don't see blonde being promoted here? Live updates cost a bucket load. Ask one anyone who has bought their own skin how much that costs. I'm surprised blonde has gone this long without the promotion to be honest. Now saying this purely as a poker player... anything/anywhere that promotes a place where I can play against my fellow blondes, Dave, tikay, Pot Limit Hold'em World Champions etc, can never be considered bad. The ability to play Dave and tikay for $10 on a Monday night? US guys are luckier to be blondes now than we ever were in the past. Very good post! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 03:46:56 PM I woulda thought they'd be giving the merchandise away, after all you'd be a walking advert. I have already voiced my opinion on spamming events :D The thing is we are the player base for the poker room so they have to keep us informed don't they? Personally i hate some of the changes that have occurred over recent months but i also realise they are a necessary evil, it can only get worse too. Agreed Ian, it's a function of getting bigger. It was lovely when it was small, & it's hard to keep the "balance" as it grows, but that's just the way things evolved. More Members = more problems keeping everyone happy. But there must be a reason why Members keep joining us. We have never advertised in the Print media, TV, or Web, not once, so it's all word of mouth. Plus, the "draw-card" of Dave Colclough - which was always going to be our main seliing point, the support of Poker 425, of Phil Quayle & the William Hill suits, the outrageous good fortune I had in picking up some TV gigs (& thus the ability to promote blonde), the tireless - & wholly unpaid - work by the Mods, & most of all, the unswerving loyalty of so many Members. Size begats problems, that's just the way it is. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Gamblor21 on May 23, 2006, 03:55:42 PM I for one don't mind any of the "spam" about tourneys... as long as it is informative! Its not as tho they are sticking it down your neck. They are letting you know that there is a tourney at this time were you can play tikay & dave etc
For me it is the same as someone letting me know about a tourney on any site bluesq willhill stars laddies etc etc! If it is posted in the right manner then really it is there to inform others what could be useful to them. The live tourneys should be mentioned as much as possible, its an excellent resource for you to pick events that are good to attend the right structure etc etc. Keep up the good work blonde! And Tikay where ever was that T-shirt! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Colchester Kev on May 23, 2006, 03:59:47 PM Vidal, your T-Shirt is awaiting a new delivery of cloth, they only had enough left for a 4 berth .... so we had to wait :)
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: The Baron on May 23, 2006, 04:01:02 PM All merchandise requests to me please.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Rod Paradise on May 23, 2006, 04:01:30 PM Vidal, your T-Shirt is awaiting a new delivery of cloth, they only had enough left for a 4 berth .... so we had to wait :) OWWWW - That's like George Best telling you you're an alky!!! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Nem on May 23, 2006, 04:02:27 PM Vidal, your T-Shirt is awaiting a new delivery of cloth, they only had enough left for a 4 berth .... so we had to wait :) OWWWW - That's like George Best telling you you're an alky!!! rotflmfao Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 23, 2006, 04:08:46 PM Ask one anyone who has bought their own skin how much that costs. Some of us were lucky enough to be born with our own skin. ::) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:09:34 PM agreed red-dog, but they managed before the site was introduced..... You mean, before the CardRoom was introduced? Yeah, we managed. Cost Dave & I over £100k between us, not a single penny of which we have had back - NOT ONE PENNY. And the idea of the CardRoom is to pay the running costs of blonde, not to make a profit. Neither Dave nor I draw a salary, Dividends, or expenses from blonde. We pay various salaries, though I'd hardly call them living wages. The Techies need paying too, & there's bandwidth, servers, accountants costs, the cost of blonde Bash's, (not cheap!), da de da de da. Unless we find a means of income, over & above a bit of advertising income & badgng fees, we'd have to close the site, full stop. I'm about out of money, & have to find income away from blonde to survive now. Fact. We can solve all this via our CardRoom, though it needs a bit of pushing now & then. I'm sorry if you feel that's too big a price to pay, do you have a better idea? And please don''t suggest making the Forum, or our Live Updates, pay-per-view, because we are never going down that road, ever. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: danmonkey on May 23, 2006, 04:12:13 PM Well I don't post nearly as much as I read, but I felt the need to interject on this one. Blondepoker is a brand for heavens sake, and one that is brilliantly realised and couldn't in my opinion do more for its 'customers'.
It is not a utopian gathering place for marxist card players where we speak in hushed whispers of the evils of the commercial world. Its a poker website with good content, great live updates, excellent quizzes and a pleasant forum community. But its all about poker. Poker is measured in money, and money makes the wheels turn in life as well as poker. In the nicest possible way, Blondepoker needs money to survive. I just can't believe anyone would object to a company advertising on its own website. Its like a taxi driving around with the light off in case a punter thinks they are being too aggressive in trying to pick them up. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 23, 2006, 04:14:41 PM agreed red-dog, but they managed before the site was introduced..... You mean, before the CardRoom was introduced? Yeah, we managed. Cost Dave & I over £100k between us, not a single penny of which we have had back - NOT ONE PENNY. And the idea of the CardRoom is to pay the running costs of blonde, not to make a profit. Neither Dave nor I draw a salary, Dividends, or expenses from blonde. We pay various salaries, though I'd hardly call them living wages. The Techies need paying too, & there's bandwidth, servers, accountants costs, the cost of blonde Bash's, (not cheap!), da de da de da. Unless we find a means of income, over & above a bit of advertising income & badgng fees, we'd have to close the site, full stop. I'm about out of money, & have to find income away from blonde to survive now. Fact. We can solve all this via our CardRoom, though it needs a bit of pushing now & then. I'm sorry if you feel that's too big a price to pay, do you have a better idea? And please don''t suggest making the Forum, or our Live Updates, pay-per-view, because we are never going down that road, ever. Plus snoopy had to be 'de-wormed' Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: b4matt on May 23, 2006, 04:15:43 PM :goodpost: rotflmfao
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:20:01 PM what my main point is, is that saying spamming is not allowed on blondepoker.com then everyone plugging tournaments is a case of the "pot calling the............" very hypocritical if u ask me Depends what you call "spamming". We allow - encourage indeed - Members to Post about comps on ANY site. Wm Hill, Betfair, Stars, Party, UB, Full-Tilt, Blue Square, Laddies, etc,. ALL these sites get mentioned, including by myself, when there is something going off that the Members may be interested in. I have personally encouraged, & still do, to this day, despite having our own Room, Members to play the $100 Freeze on Blue Square, & the deep stacked freezes on Laddies, because I think they are good comps. And I've said many times that we all aspire to be the all round quality of PokerStars. Hypocritical? I don't think so. It's an "open site", but we draw the line at newbie Members spamming from the first Post, or "pure Spam", & our Members tell us that's the way they like it. We Promote our own site in a reasonable manner, & I don't have a shred of conscience about it, all things considered. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:28:37 PM Quote what my main point is, is that saying spamming is not allowed on blondepoker.com then everyone plugging tournaments is a case of the "pot calling the............" very hypocritical if u ask me But isn't it more a case of " we won't spam on your site so please don't spam on ours?" Blonde representatives won't go on other forums etc to spam events on blonde and doesn't expect other sites to do the same here. I don't think anyone said anything about promoting/spamming Blonde events on the blonde site/forum? Thanks Mr F. We play it completely "straight". We have never, not even once, tried to spam blonde, covertly or otherwise, on any other Forum, & we never will. Were that everyone else could say the same.... Some of our fiercest critics have been guilty of spamming via blonde PM, believe it or not, with the sole intention of taking advantage of blonde for their own self-interest. Incredibly, we have Members - well-known & hitherto respected ones - who are trying to rip off blonde, by covertly spamming their own sites & rakeback deals via blonde PM, or by stealing info from blonde Profiles for their own ends. (More of which later today). I ain't trying to say we are angelic goodie-two-shoes, but Dave & I, & the vast majority of the Membership, believe in being straight, & up front. That's the way it is, that's the way it wlll stay. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:30:09 PM Well The Baron is the only one who spams the BPL tournaments, after all his paid job is to run BPL etc. Lots of people play in the tournaments against other blondeites and now in the new league so ti would be strange if it wasn't mentioned on blonde's forum. When we forget to mention/spam our own Tourneys, plenty of folks complain - as they should! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: matt674 on May 23, 2006, 04:32:13 PM Incredibly, we have Members - well-known & hitherto respected ones - who are trying to rip off blonde, by covertly spamming their own sites & rakeback deals via blonde PM, or by stealing info from blonde Profiles for their own ends. (More of which later today). Oooo goody a "who-dun-it"!! Is there a butler involved? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 23, 2006, 04:33:10 PM Incredibly, we have Members - well-known & hitherto respected ones - who are trying to rip off blonde, by covertly spamming their own sites & rakeback deals via blonde PM, or by stealing info from blonde Profiles for their own ends. (More of which later today). Oooo goody a "who-dun-it"!! Is there a butler involved? It was the one-armed man! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: gatso on May 23, 2006, 04:34:15 PM am I missing something here?
I've just opened the main page of General Discussion, there are 50 topics. 2 of these are about the Blonde cardroom (1 of these is the 42nd topic and will probably drop off the front page soon) 1 is about the quiz league 1 is about the caption comp err, that's it of those 4 topics we have 1 informing us of freerolls on the site 1 promoting the league with added prizes available 2 competitions with prizes so that's 4 out of 50, all of which are offering us all either something for free or added value to tournies. hardly spamming is it? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bundle on May 23, 2006, 04:35:39 PM How the hell can anyone complain about BLONDE, advertising a BLONDE event, at the BLONDE poker room, on the BLONDE forum?
Am i missing something? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:36:39 PM i enjoy the forum immensly, just worried theres too many people trying to make a killing from it, thats all, breaking even is the main objective of every business, which blondepoker has become. "too many people making a killing".....! You jest, surely. Read my Posts in this thread, & tell me who's making a killing, please. Breaking even? I wish, I bloody well wish. Breaking even would be like "getting out of trouble" on the last race at the Cheltenham Festival - unexpected, but a massive relief! Quite frankly, if I could get my investment in blonde back, ever, I'd be mightily surprised. Making a killing indeed, now you are winding me up. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:41:51 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? In due course, that's the plan. But there is much more Traffic on the GD board & we felt that to give the Cardroom the best chance to succeed, we'd allow it to stay on GD for a while, then move it across to IP when it's becomes established. The sooner it's established, the sooner we will move it across. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:42:39 PM , yes promoting their events happens but I dont really consider this as spam more as an reminder to get involved in the community and help with the running costs. oink oink I think Red has given that one the credibility it merits. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Sark79 on May 23, 2006, 04:43:11 PM I like it pretty much the way it is. Where else can you get free poker advice and discuss a variety of different things. Ok, there are lots of other forums. But none are as friendly, helpful and share as strong a community spirit as Blonde does. I fully understand if the organisers want to highlight the forthcoming Blonde events. As I play at the Blonde site, I find this helpful. Although I did miss the League event last night. Please present it in a scrolling Nemesis style post next time. That way I cant forget about it.
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: gatso on May 23, 2006, 04:46:33 PM I like it pretty much the way it is. Where else can you get free poker advice and discuss a variety of different things. Ok, there are lots of other forums. But none are as friendly, helpful and share as strong a community spirit as Blonde does. I fully understand if the organisers want to highlight the forthcoming Blonde events. As I play at the Blonde site, I find this helpful. Although I did miss the League event last night. Please present it in a scrolling Nemesis style post next time. That way I cant forget about it. Watch out Sark, you'll be next for the chop. I'm pretty sure there are more threads discussing you than Blonde at the moment Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:48:40 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? no Why should they feel the need to hide their poker-stuff off in some child board? They should be able to post what they want when they want without members complaining that they have to suffer such terrible insults as not being forced to read the post(s)! Why is everyone so keen to get something for nothing? Why aren't people happy that the founder members of this site are trying to find avenues to bring more money into the entity so they can: a) offer better (more frequent) live updates b) have a poker-room where blondes can play together, and where they can host blonde specific tournaments c) not operate this fine website at a substantial cost to themselves each year! I dont know whether people had it too good in the beginning, but as a relative newcomer all I can say is that the price that people are seemingly paying for the service is a minute fraction of the actual value of the benefits they get, and it frustrates me that people find time to complain about such things, yet are so happy to reap the benefits of being a member here (for free) I dont know for a fact, but Im pretty sure that Tikay is about as honest as they come, and he has been very forward in his intimations about the cost of running Blonde, and if it suddenly starts making a "killing".. then its no more then he deserves (not that he would keep it all anyways, I'd be confident a pretty good % of that money would find its way back to the members) Alrite, I'm getting off my soap-box now.. best wishes It's the nature of the beast that some folks just like to moan & whinge at every little irritation in life. One wonders, God forbid, how they would cope if they were, say, EricStoner or Ironside, who, typically for Members on this site, bear their crosses in life with huge bravery & never moan about it. I can think of 30 or more blondes who have quite horrendous problems in life, poor health, sickly kids, but they never moan about it. I regret to say I don't have a lot of time for negativity, though I'll deal with Positives, even if it is criticism, with the patience of a saint. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: booder on May 23, 2006, 04:49:47 PM Oooo goody a "who-dun-it"!! Is there a butler involved? damn......must get my eyes tested......got all excited thought it said butter.................mmmmmmmmmmm last tango in paris Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:50:29 PM I like it pretty much the way it is. Where else can you get free poker advice and discuss a variety of different things. Ok, there are lots of other forums. But none are as friendly, helpful and share as strong a community spirit as Blonde does. I fully understand if the organisers want to highlight the forthcoming Blonde events. As I play at the Blonde site, I find this helpful. Although I did miss the League event last night. Please present it in a scrolling Nemesis style post next time. That way I cant forget about it. Watch out Sark, you'll be next for the chop. I'm pretty sure there are more threads discussing you than Blonde at the moment Good Point! We don't want Members complaining about too much Sark, now do we?..... And there ARE more Sark-Positive Posts than blonde spams. Watch out Sark, you are next. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 23, 2006, 04:51:01 PM Oooo goody a "who-dun-it"!! Is there a butler involved? damn......must get my eyes tested......got all excited thought it said butter.................mmmmmmmmmmm last tango in paris I don't think you want to go down that dark alley. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Acidmouse on May 23, 2006, 04:51:13 PM whats oink mean? that a southern term?
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:52:24 PM nice post totalise, i agree totally, i just think some rules apply for some, and not others, i know that the site needs to advertise here, but sometimes it is incessant, Define "incessant" please. We have given you the ratio of blonde spams, 1% of Posts & 2% of Topics as I recall. Incessant? Really? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:55:08 PM whats oink mean? that a southern term? I would suggest, just a guess mind, that it's a noise made by a farmyard animal. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: seamus on May 23, 2006, 04:55:40 PM How the hell can anyone complain about BLONDE, advertising a BLONDE event, at the BLONDE poker room, on the BLONDE forum? ;iagree; Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 04:58:27 PM Would it not make sense to maybe add a child board to the internet poker forum for all BPL stuff? this was suggested at the outset but it was decided to wait until the cardroom was established. A league not established enough? "Establish" - to make secure or permanent. (OED) It had it's first Tourney last night. Hardly "established", though I guess patience was never your strong suit Flushy. But we ar immensely grateful for your support of blonde. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bobby1 on May 23, 2006, 05:01:56 PM Im a little shocked that someone who appears a very reasonable chap like Action would be critical of a poker website advertising their tourneys, articles and clothing to its members. I am sure it is just a question he has had mulling around and he probably didnt expect the volume of responses from people who also know the true financial outgoings that this great site has accrued.
I think we should remember that not all members will know the set up and the costs or that DC and Tikay have taken the full cost upon themselves so lets not be too harsh if we disagree because there will be a lot of members who didnt know. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: b4matt on May 23, 2006, 05:03:20 PM And still the undefeated Champion of Blonde... Mr Tony Kendall :respect: :respect: :respect:
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Rod Paradise on May 23, 2006, 05:03:31 PM Tikay, a cautionary note, you seem to be getting progressively more wound up by Action Man's comments as if they are answers to your replies already made... remember his comments were all made before you'd posted a reply & take that into consideration that he hasn't had the benefit of reading what you've said.
You've explained the position, don't get too wound up till he sees the explanation. That's one of the dangers of a forum type board. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 05:07:44 PM Wll there you go, all of Mr Man's criticisms answered, point by point.
It's such a shame, but it's the nature of life that I've had to waste an afternoon responding to this stuff - it would be so much nicer if I could, instead, thank, & respond, to every Positive Post from the Members. I can't, I'm afraid, I've already thrown away 2 hours from my ever-diminishing egg-timer, but to all those who supported blonde, my personal thanks. This site is free, & you all have the choice as to whether you support it, or not. We know that, & try to keep it the way you like it. I can take positive criticism all day & all night, & often do, that's why we change things. But negativity, & inaccurate facts, pees me off, & I aint ashamed to admit it. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Claw75 on May 23, 2006, 05:08:33 PM Wll there you go, all of Mr Man's criticisms answered, point by point. It's such a shame, but it's the nature of life that I've had to waste an afternoon responding to this stuff - it would be so much nicer if I could, instead, thank, & respond, to every Positive Post from the Members. I can't, I'm afraid, I've already thrown away 2 hours from my ever-diminishing egg-timer, but to all those who supported blonde, my personal thanks. This site is free, & you all have the choice as to whether you support it, or not. We know that, & try to keep it the way you like it. I can take positive criticism all day & all night, & often do, that's why we change things. But negativity, & inaccurate facts, pees me off, & I aint ashamed to admit it. Good work Tikay - go and have your nap now - you've earned it! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thediceman on May 23, 2006, 05:10:52 PM Having just started reading this thread I couldn't help but laugh as I've just recieved a new email and when I looked to see who it's from it was from blondepoker promoting it's poker league ;D
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: tikay on May 23, 2006, 05:12:20 PM Bobby & Rod, fair comment. Except Mr Man has been a Member since February 2005, so it's hard to believe that he did not realise the way things are before he burst forth with his comments. I'm done now. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Nem on May 23, 2006, 05:12:57 PM How the hell can anyone complain about BLONDE, advertising a BLONDE event, at the BLONDE poker room, on the BLONDE forum? ;iagree; ;iagree; ;iagree; Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 05:27:24 PM i feel a bit sorry for action man, he probably logged on with the intention of making the most witty, insightful, well articulated post ever seen on blonde pertaining to some form of topical news story that was deemed to be of significant publc interest.
but then he probably felt a bit tired and wanted to watch paul o grady so he thought i'll write a couple of lines about spam and then hit em with the good stuff later. what are your thoughts on the pay structure in place for nurses working on the nhs? TOO HIGH!!!!! they dont even put the hours in these days ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Rod Paradise on May 23, 2006, 05:30:23 PM Bobby & Rod, fair comment. Except Mr Man has been a Member since February 2005, so it's hard to believe that he did not realise the way things are before he burst forth with his comments. I'm done now. OK wasn't preaching - just warning how easy it is to read a post, respond, then continue reading a guys posts in the context that you've responded.... getting angrier and angrier becasue youve addressed the point but not when he was posting, I'm guilty of it & try to read a thread through and then go back. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 05:34:46 PM :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop:
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: snoopy1239 on May 23, 2006, 05:40:35 PM i enjoy the forum immensly, just worried theres too many people trying to make a killing from it, thats all, breaking even is the main objective of every business, which blondepoker has become. "too many people making a killing".....! You jest, surely. Read my Posts in this thread, & tell me who's making a killing, please. Breaking even? I wish, I bloody well wish. Breaking even would be like "getting out of trouble" on the last race at the Cheltenham Festival - unexpected, but a massive relief! Quite frankly, if I could get my investment in blonde back, ever, I'd be mightily surprised. Making a killing indeed, now you are winding me up. Okay, okay, I must confess. Since I started working for blonde, my account has reached the seven figure mark. There, I said it. Strictly NO NIPPING though please. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Indestructable on May 23, 2006, 06:13:46 PM Crikey I go to work for a day and miss all this.
My only point I would make is that most "commercial" forums would have probably censored such a post and the spirit of Blonde appears to have allowed this debate to be thrashed out in the open. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 07:00:09 PM the title of the post has a question mark, is blondepoker becoming spam city? it was supposed to be a debate, not a start of everyone to get on their high horses and make my opinions seem infantile and ludicrous. Maybe if we were better informed (within reason) of blondes finances, this wouldnt turn into such a heated argument.
maybe I am misreading somethings, maybe i was just trying to open the preverbial can of worms. If anyone knows me from tribbeca (theclaimer) will know that i always have a laugh and a joke with people and see the funny side of things. However i pride my self on speaking my mind. maybe the members who agree with my original post are afraid to agree because of the stick ive been getting all afternoon! I knew i was on a hiding to nothing when i put the post in this afternoon. i just wanted to see what reaction it would get. Tikay in no why was i attempting to bad mouth blonde or imply any wrongdoing, i was just asking if people think "blonde is becoming spam city" the answer seems to be a resounding nay. End of matter Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: nirvana on May 23, 2006, 07:02:01 PM Since spam is an old word with a new meaning the exact etymology and therefore definition of the word may as yet be unclear and it could take several decades before there is a final definition accepted by all as the received wisdom.
In the meantime, do we not accept that advertising and marketing are an integral, yay, welcome, part of a modern, capitalist society - a socio-political system from which we all derive benefits. Since the large majority of us capitalists 'vote with our feet' and stay here we clearly prefer the capitalist system and the profit motive to any other system. No obvious rush from here to rural China or Cooooooooooba (Cuba quiero bailar la salsa) so far as I can tell. Ergo, the marketing of the site and it's multiple offerings to it's membership is to be welcomed, embraced and the people behind it should have their tummies tickled. Oh yes. We, atavists all, exist to market and sell - hence the wiggly bottoms one sees in spring. Moreover, and back to the initial discussion over a precise definition of spam - is it possible to spam one's own site or customers. I reject the very notion as primitive and verging on the subhuman. I am sure it is possible to unsubscribe and thus, rather than a discussion regarding spam, one should instead rejoice in the fact that our fathers and forefathers worked, lived and died so that we, yes, we petty men, could exercise our democratic right to 'vote with our feet' and not simply exercise a good deal of airtime with drivel. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 07:11:42 PM Maybe if we were better informed (within reason) of blondes finances, this wouldnt turn into such a heated argument. why should we, myself included, be better informed (within reason) about blonde's finances? Nothing to do with us unless we are shareholders, and its not a plc so the information isn't publically available unless you want to trek to Companies House and find out. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 08:19:03 PM Since spam is an old word with a new meaning the exact etymology and therefore definition of the word may as yet be unclear and it could take several decades before there is a final definition accepted by all as the received wisdom. In the meantime, do we not accept that advertising and marketing are an integral, yay, welcome, part of a modern, capitalist society - a socio-political system from which we all derive benefits. Since the large majority of us capitalists 'vote with our feet' and stay here we clearly prefer the capitalist system and the profit motive to any other system. No obvious rush from here to rural China or Cooooooooooba (Cuba quiero bailar la salsa) so far as I can tell. Ergo, the marketing of the site and it's multiple offerings to it's membership is to be welcomed, embraced and the people behind it should have their tummies tickled. Oh yes. We, atavists all, exist to market and sell - hence the wiggly bottoms one sees in spring. Moreover, and back to the initial discussion over a precise definition of spam - is it possible to spam one's own site or customers. I reject the very notion as primitive and verging on the subhuman. I am sure it is possible to unsubscribe and thus, rather than a discussion regarding spam, one should instead rejoice in the fact that our fathers and forefathers worked, lived and died so that we, yes, we petty men, could exercise our democratic right to 'vote with our feet' and not simply exercise a good deal of airtime with drivel. its people like you that eat meat and kill the rainforrests and put parrots in burgers and make monkeys where tracksuits. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 08:23:05 PM where did the blonde poker,quiz, caption competition, and league threads go?
:dontask: Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 08:27:05 PM they have been unstickied...they are still on the forum if you look a minute or two....
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 08:30:28 PM they have been unstickied...they are still on the forum if you look a minute or two.... well which is it, one minute or two? this is a very important factor for me in deciding wether or not to locate the aforementioned threads. :D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 08:31:36 PM less than a minute, even for the laziest bolts on the forum. ;tk;
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Nem on May 23, 2006, 08:34:59 PM where did the blonde poker,quiz, caption competition, and league threads go? :dontask: Why have they been unstickied? FFS! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 08:38:37 PM less than a minute, even for the laziest bolts on the forum. ;tk; located and back on the sofa in 47 seconds!!! :)up Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Royal Flush on May 23, 2006, 08:42:58 PM It's stopped rainning here, but it is still quite cloudy!
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 08:44:11 PM Why have they been unstickied? FFS! tell you what, you can mod for a day and I'll do polls and Arse bashing! ok??? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: MrMoves on May 23, 2006, 08:46:59 PM Why have they been unstickied? FFS! tell you what, you can mod for a day and I'll do polls and Arse bashing! ok??? You never struck me as an Arse basher, Tightend. Each to their own and all that. ;D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Nem on May 23, 2006, 08:48:16 PM Why have they been unstickied? FFS! tell you what, you can mod for a day and I'll do polls and Arse bashing! ok??? No thanks. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 08:50:17 PM Arsenal.
Thanks Paul 8) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: nirvana on May 23, 2006, 08:53:11 PM If they prick us, do we not bleed ?
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: TightEnd on May 23, 2006, 08:54:54 PM don't you start :D
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Royal Flush on May 23, 2006, 08:59:26 PM If they prick us, do we not bleed ? ban him now please, before he gets going! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Karabiner on May 23, 2006, 09:06:05 PM Wll there you go, all of Mr Man's criticisms answered, point by point. It's such a shame, but it's the nature of life that I've had to waste an afternoon responding to this stuff - it would be so much nicer if I could, instead, thank, & respond, to every Positive Post from the Members. I can't, I'm afraid, I've already thrown away 2 hours from my ever-diminishing egg-timer, but to all those who supported blonde, my personal thanks. This site is free, & you all have the choice as to whether you support it, or not. We know that, & try to keep it the way you like it. I can take positive criticism all day & all night, & often do, that's why we change things. But negativity, & inaccurate facts, pees me off, & I aint ashamed to admit it. Negativity and inaccurate facts can drive a man to distraction and worse, you have my sympathy old boy. ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o ::) ::) ::) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: JungleCat03 on May 23, 2006, 09:13:34 PM Since spam is an old word with a new meaning the exact etymology and therefore definition of the word may as yet be unclear and it could take several decades before there is a final definition accepted by all as the received wisdom. In the meantime, do we not accept that advertising and marketing are an integral, yay, welcome, part of a modern, capitalist society - a socio-political system from which we all derive benefits. Since the large majority of us capitalists 'vote with our feet' and stay here we clearly prefer the capitalist system and the profit motive to any other system. No obvious rush from here to rural China or Cooooooooooba (Cuba quiero bailar la salsa) so far as I can tell. Ergo, the marketing of the site and it's multiple offerings to it's membership is to be welcomed, embraced and the people behind it should have their tummies tickled. Oh yes. We, atavists all, exist to market and sell - hence the wiggly bottoms one sees in spring. Moreover, and back to the initial discussion over a precise definition of spam - is it possible to spam one's own site or customers. I reject the very notion as primitive and verging on the subhuman. I am sure it is possible to unsubscribe and thus, rather than a discussion regarding spam, one should instead rejoice in the fact that our fathers and forefathers worked, lived and died so that we, yes, we petty men, could exercise our democratic right to 'vote with our feet' and not simply exercise a good deal of airtime with drivel. What an articulate post blending political and sociological comment seamlessly with the pertinant issues, and incorporating vocabulary spanning at least three discrete languages. You've come a long way since you were banging out Brown Sugar in your 60s DJ job, accompanying the scratches of the records with banal comments such as "not 'alf mate" If your poker ever matches your eloquence, PS Action Man is a good guy who occasionally gets in trouble for speaking his mind but I wouldn't have it any other way. I disagree with him on this, Blonde of course can use its own forum to promote its own site. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 23, 2006, 09:21:53 PM This is an interesting thread.
Not because of the posts, but because it contains 7 pages of people saying exactly the same thing. It's like an argument with the missus. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Karabiner on May 23, 2006, 09:24:23 PM Since spam is an old word with a new meaning the exact etymology and therefore definition of the word may as yet be unclear and it could take several decades before there is a final definition accepted by all as the received wisdom. In the meantime, do we not accept that advertising and marketing are an integral, yay, welcome, part of a modern, capitalist society - a socio-political system from which we all derive benefits. Since the large majority of us capitalists 'vote with our feet' and stay here we clearly prefer the capitalist system and the profit motive to any other system. No obvious rush from here to rural China or Cooooooooooba (Cuba quiero bailar la salsa) so far as I can tell. Ergo, the marketing of the site and it's multiple offerings to it's membership is to be welcomed, embraced and the people behind it should have their tummies tickled. Oh yes. We, atavists all, exist to market and sell - hence the wiggly bottoms one sees in spring. Moreover, and back to the initial discussion over a precise definition of spam - is it possible to spam one's own site or customers. I reject the very notion as primitive and verging on the subhuman. I am sure it is possible to unsubscribe and thus, rather than a discussion regarding spam, one should instead rejoice in the fact that our fathers and forefathers worked, lived and died so that we, yes, we petty men, could exercise our democratic right to 'vote with our feet' and not simply exercise a good deal of airtime with drivel. Post of the year for me. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: steeley68 on May 23, 2006, 10:34:08 PM Can I put my tuppence-worth in?
I am reletavely new to poker and to any kind of forum. I've said this before - Blonde is an awesome adventure. When I was first introduced to it, I sat for hours reading all the threads and posts, agreeing with things that were said, disagreeing as well. I have never minded the fact that some posts are advertising blonde games. Why, if it wasn't for one of these posts, I would have forgotten to play a couple of blonde games - never won any, mind. I have always wanted a blondepoker hat. Glasgow Bandit got one, and I wanted one sooo bad, we played a HU for it. I won, but he refused to part with it. I had to make do with a Cincin's hat (which, by the way costs £8!). Now that we have the shop, I will be first at the door, after pay day. I'm sorry, I haven't read all the posts, I'm easily distrac It's complete common sense to advertise your own stuff. LONG LIVE BLONDE!! Thanks to Tikay and everyone else for the huge amount of time and effort they put into this. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: I, Zimbra on May 23, 2006, 11:13:39 PM This is an interesting thread. :DNot because of the posts, but because it contains 7 pages of people saying exactly the same thing. ...this being the reason why I didn't add my tuppence. ayyyyyyarrrrrrr the blondes! :cheers: Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 23, 2006, 11:22:22 PM it was agood title though: spam city; a place of drifters, criminals, low lifes and card sharps!
check your guns at the door and enter if you dare!!!!!! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: GlasgowBandit on May 23, 2006, 11:45:40 PM Can I put my tuppence-worth in? And without been given consent you just went ahead and did so! And you have been paid now so when you buying your hat? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 11:48:47 PM i feel like shababazz from big brother!!! intersting debate, i was probably wrong but ive got a cynical mind!
ive had a lot of fun from this site, long may it continue Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 23, 2006, 11:50:45 PM i feel like shababazz from big brother!!! I was thinking the same thing :D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: brad.strider on May 23, 2006, 11:56:25 PM shabaz would be very happy
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: action man on May 23, 2006, 11:57:36 PM Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Heid on May 24, 2006, 12:43:49 AM i feel like shababazz from big brother!!! intersting debate, i was probably wrong but ive got a cynical mind! ive had a lot of fun from this site, long may it continue You're never wrong to post your opinion on something :) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 24, 2006, 01:18:57 AM You're never wrong to post your opinion on something :) Cheers for the blank cheque ;) Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 24, 2006, 01:20:53 AM You're never wrong to post your opinion on something :) Cheers for the blank cheque ;) Coming soon, tank's essay, "Why I want to destroy the world via Nuclear Holocaust and other stories" Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 24, 2006, 01:28:01 AM Nuclear Holocaust has been done to death.
I'd like to think I could find a better way to destroy the world, such as simultaneously turning on all the hot taps. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 24, 2006, 01:31:07 AM Nuclear Holocaust has been done to death. I'd like to think I could find a better way to destroy the world, such as simultaneously turning on all the hot taps. Steal all the z-list celebrity magazines and I'm sure most of the western world would collapse. Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: Royal Flush on May 24, 2006, 01:32:40 AM Nuclear Holocaust has been done to death. I'd like to think I could find a better way to destroy the world, such as simultaneously turning on all the hot taps. Delete online poker, i will finish the world of for you Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: thetank on May 24, 2006, 01:37:52 AM Delete online poker, i will finish the world of for you If I delete online poker, you'll be all the better funded to do such a thing. :D Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: RED-DOG on May 24, 2006, 01:52:13 AM You're never wrong to post your opinion on something :) I disagree, and you can't argue with that! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bhoywonder on May 24, 2006, 01:57:02 AM You're never wrong to post your opinion on something :) I disagree, and you can't argue with that! i second that argument......agreement...dis-agreement i'll get me jacket Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bhoywonder on May 24, 2006, 02:04:01 AM On a more serious note
I dont have or could concieve of a problem with self advertising ur own site on it's own site and showing off new features...as nirvana eloquently alludes to this is a poker site and not some conformist communist 'back to basics',non- commercial fantasy.... besides where else could i play with El Blondie....not live,not with my measly bankroll Long live blonde.......come the revolution the rebels will be up against the wall Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: nirvana on May 24, 2006, 07:38:21 AM And this is Bachmann Turner Overdirve, 'You aint seen nothing yet' - let's rrrrocckkkkk !
Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: clayftknight on May 24, 2006, 09:46:34 AM This may not take down the whole world but this is how to take down your enemies..........
Break into their house while they are away and paint all their light bulbs black...........then when they turn on a light it actually gets darker and they bump into things!!!! Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 24, 2006, 03:48:17 PM This may not take down the whole world but this is how to take down your enemies.......... Break into their house while they are away and paint all their light bulbs black...........then when they turn on a light it actually gets darker and they bump into things!!!! geniues!!!!! can i take there toaster while i'm there? Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: gatso on May 24, 2006, 07:01:19 PM This may not take down the whole world but this is how to take down your enemies.......... Break into their house while they are away and paint all their light bulbs black...........then when they turn on a light it actually gets darker and they bump into things!!!! geniues!!!!! can i take there toaster while i'm there? I once killed a mouse with a friend's toaster. I turned it on not expecting the mouse to be inside, it made an awful smell. You wouldn't want to steal that toaster Title: Re: Is Blonde becoming spam city? Post by: bolt pp on May 24, 2006, 11:38:50 PM This may not take down the whole world but this is how to take down your enemies.......... Break into their house while they are away and paint all their light bulbs black...........then when they turn on a light it actually gets darker and they bump into things!!!! geniues!!!!! can i take there toaster while i'm there? I once killed a mouse with a friend's toaster. I turned it on not expecting the mouse to be inside, it made an awful smell. You wouldn't want to steal that toaster you knew it was there you liar. If you admit you have a problem and try your best not to do it again we'll leave it at that. |