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Between him and Wayne Rooney everything that is wrong with Professional football is encapsulated..

Both have terrific talent, both are lousy characters

Rooney has a terrible temperament and deserved to get sent off. Short of a few million brain cells and generally a complete numpty. Mentally that is.

BUT, Ronaldo goaded the referee into sending him off (a correct decision but nonetheless still inexcusable to do so) and then when he had succeeded he turned to his bench and winked.

Add to this all the examples from various players of diving and playacting (rolling around and then getting up when the ball goes out of play) and you have a game that it is becoming more and more difficult to enjoy for me personally.

the both of them are also boys

I'm sure if Ronaldo offers, they will make up.



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sorry but am i the only person that thinks wayne rooney was unlucky to even have gotten a yellow card let alone a red

he stepped on a player whose legs were wrapped around waynes stepping on him was un avoidable

he raised his hands to ronaldo and that is problery a bookable offense but that wasnt what he was sent off for

Did anyone see the gesture he made to Rooney after the game ( I think) ?

Can't help but agree . What the hell was Rooney doing? Ronaldo is a cheat tho. As we have seen this throughout the WC and beyond players are willing to do what is necessary to influence the ref . Football is a contact sport and the players are doing themselves a disservice by going to ground every 2 mins . FIFA does itself nofavours by making the game more and more convaluted and the ref's job harder and harder. Foottball has changed much for the worse and it keeps on deteriorating.
Strong leadership is required at the very top level and that clearly is not going to happen anytime soon . Goodbye the beautiful game............

If he's gonna get sent off he should have broken the cheating pr!ck's jaw instead of that girly little push.

lol

I'm sure he'll have a chance in training next season...

Rooney stamped on the defenders testicles, a definite red card.

However, the ref NEVER SAW the stamp, instead, he sent Rooney off for PUSHING Ronaldo.

That is what will be in his report.

If the ref saw the stamp fair enough (and it did happen within a yard of him), even if he didn't the silly bugger deserved the sending-off.

I too am very interested in what the ref gives as his reason. Can't believe it was that push as he'd allowed similar earlier to go unpunished and generally had a good game imo.

Agreed - the ref was taking no action until the push, the replays showed this.

I've already heard from 3 United fans giving abuse about Ronaldo.

I thought the ref was average at best. Terry's yellow card was an absolute joke.

Im a Man Utd fan and im disgusted by this prat tonight.

He wont be at Old Trafford for much longer...Madrid are gonna take him off our hands for a tidy little profit 8)

Errrr how can the replays show what the ref was going to do in the future ???

does the refs mind being made up by the push  make any difference?

He blew up, didn't move, pointed the direction on play and froze. Then there was the push, then he blew up again, called Rooney over and sent him off. The BBC pundits ponted it out. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Well I think so as the push was nothing worse than you might see in the box before a corner.

terrible by ronaldo, very naughty.

I think that the nature of the tournament is bringing out the worst in players.

T. Henry plays in arguably the most physical league in Europe but Ive always liked the guy for the decorum and professionallity he shows on the pitch, he never usually makes a meal of a challenge, doesn't try to get people booked and handles himself very well but even he's at it, falling about pretending to get knocked in the face when he clearly didn't, really disappointing.

if my post is to be censored so severly i might as well delete it all

Rooney wasn't even looking at Carvalaho, it was an accident and did you see the little shite winking at his team mates after the event?

Sorry to bring this up but anyone remember Arsenal's 49 games unbeaten? Remember the 50th game at Old Trafford?

Rooney dives over Campbell's leg, Nistlerooy scores the pen, Arsenal lose and Sol wont shake Rooney's hand.

What goes around....

that doesn't come around Baron, not fair on Sol, Theo or Ashley.

And no, we don't forget :(

I know Silo I was referring to Rooney.

Cheat and be cheated kinda thing.

what has this got to do with the england game?

what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong!!!

what a pathetic comparison!

"what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong!!!" - Correct.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Thanks for your appraisal of my comparison.

I wonder where Ronaldo will end up next season.  Should be amusing if he stays in England.  I'd love it if Real said they didn't want him anymore :D

Agreed! Remember what Becks got for his red in 98? This will be even worse!

yes one was domestic football one was international football.

couldnt care less about arsenal man utd or wayne rooney but i care about england

we were robbed by a bad decision

Hopefully it wont have the same effect on Ronny though.  Don't want him developing into a top role model, one of the best players in the world and future national captain :D

Rooney will not get booed like Beckham did.

and he will not be national captain! laughable

All the match reports say that Rooney was sent off for a stamp on Carvalho's groin area.

I've not seen any that say he was sent off for pushing Ronaldo, apart from your report that is....

You must have missed the BBC aftermath then. That's where I got it from. They know more than I.

Ronaldo will though.

Just like Alpay.

Ronaldo played a blinder, he's now hated by the nation and all within a couple of days of saying that he wants to leave Man Utd.

He confirmed it tonight after Ferguson's denial yesterday! LOL! :D See my other thread.

Again what i hate about pub watching games... I didnt see a red card but i dont doubt there may have been one warrented...IMHO i think this world cup has been ruined by 'safe' offside decision and obvious diving cheating.... FIFA really need to revgie what has been the poorest advert for football in my lifetime, including all acts of hooliganism...

I have to say that i thought the Rooney sending off was a joke. He never meant to stand on the Portuguese players groin, it was accidental.  Ronaldo comes running over to the ref demanding a card, and Rooney just light pushes him away. The ref gave the  :redcard: for the push, which is beyond belief.  If that is worth a red card, there will be no players left after corners/free kicks.
Ronaldo will not/should not come back to the UK, as he will be given a load of abuse.   Another Alpay transfer in the offing if you ask me.
Rooney will get some abuse by the mindless fans, but does not deserve it IMO.

when the ref blew up he pointed in the direction we were playing. it looked very much like he was awarding us a free kick for the portugeezer trying to leg Rooney up after losing the ball. Rooney didnt stamp on him he was trying to get clear with the ball and the portugeezer wouldn't let him. yellow card for the push by all means but straight red is stupid. Ronaldo is only one of dozens of players who go down FAR too easily. For England Owen and Joe Cole are the worst offenders but we all know which teams are the worst for it.

Diving and play acting should be the number one issue  for referees as it's the most common form of cheating today.

I absolutely, 100% agree.

This has been a poor World Cup so far.  Only brilliance from Argentina, and last night from France, brought some sunshine through the dark clouds.

England were poor in every game.  When Owen Hargreaves is the only player shining in that midfield, something is very wrong.  Lampard and, more so, Gerard were very disappointing. 

I hope McClaren now drops all the dead wood and brings in the youngsters.  Lennon could be a massive star for England in the future.

This is a quote from the BBC website:

"The England striker was dismissed in the 62nd minute for stamping on Portugal defender Ricardo Cavalho"

So a player trying to gain a tactical advantage for his team through deception is apparently worse for the game than tribal acts of physical violence? Eh, playacting is a problem in the game but I disagree that it's worse than hooliganism was at its height.

Playacting is difficult for the referee and assistants to spot in many cases- the solution is compulsory retrospective punishment where it is caught on camera- and not just bookings, hit 'em where it hurts, their pockets.

Also worth keeping in mind football has changed greatly over the last decade or two- for all the complaints about FIFA interference with referees it's worth remembering that creative, talented  players in the 60s 70s, even 80s were subjected to absolutely horrendous treatment from opposition defenders, at times getting literally booted around the pitch. The protection given to players at least allows top talents to perform without worrying about where the next fly kick or stamp is coming from.

No, that is not what the post says. Even though it was at 2am after a night out it should still read correctly.

Obviously violence is worse than this cheating in the wider context of life. However as an advert to watch football this world cup has fallen very short as a result of the things i said, above acts of violence. On the pitch activities have been an aweful advert for football this year, the off the field acts have not been so to the same extent

Well that is not what Shearer, Hansen and Wright said.

What did Ronaldo do wrong i am confused!!!

Was it not Rooney who did the stamping, as for the Ref's pause is it not possible he was taking advice from the linesman or 4th official?

Rooney cheated, he paid the price, nuff said.

Fair point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/5138240.stm

I guess that solves the mystery?

But not when I make it  ::)

It was always a fair point.

The fact that people didn't hear pundits say what they did doesn't change the fact that they did say it.

A pundit panel with Ian Wright and Alan Shearer on it is hardly likely to be impartial.....

Rooney cheated, he got punished, he no doubt regrets it and will probably be hated for it by millions of jealous people untill those same people want him to save Englands bacon in the future.

I agree 100% - I was only pointing out what they said! Don't shoot the messenger!

It is clear from Bongo's link that both the pundits and I were wrong. He was sent off for the stamp, probably after one of the officials said something in his earpiece.